Claudius

Hessian Bravery Medal, and Broach-style (old fashion) Long Service medal. What roman number year is on the back? A bit "tuftied" in appearance, but otherwise it looks like a good bar.

All of the ribbon seems too clean and the weave is too course. And that medal back plate...I have seen bars that were hardly used that had more wear that metal. It looks like it was put together yesterday. I also think that the hindy is hanging too tight to the bar as well. The medals look correct. sorry to be blunt.

On the last Hohnhorst photo, do I see the faint outline of a wound badge? Did Hohnhorst get wounded in WWI or some earlier engagement? Nice Japanese Rising Sun(?) award on the end.

I think the thread on "Reference Books you should have" are excellent books. (see above in the Thread index) There are two or three other books, but these publications are what your friend will like.

Thank you Pavel and Veteran! If I may ask...how do you navigate through the russian language only webpages? Do you need to know enough russian to get by or is there a translation link I don't know about. Thank you, Claudius

Hello Veteran; si vous svp. o? est l'ench?re basel ? O? est Londres ench?re ? merci'

Hello Claudio; You make some excellent points. If indeed the Oldenburg Ehrenkreuz was replaced where a house order was, then someone was REALLY trying to change a rare ordensspange into a scare ordensspange. I would have thought the house order would have been enough to garner a high hammer price. I don't like to think that someone would remove an attractive and valuable order like the Peter Fredrick Ludwig Order just to "amaze" everyone with a rarer non-enameled cross. I agree with your thought regarding Godet bars and their tight medal attachment. The Oldenburg was looser just by how it hid behind another medal. Is there a way to research this bar "as presented" and one with the PFL order instead of the Ehrenkreuz? If successful, that may shed some light on this question. Thank you for your insights! I always learn something from your feedback.

I was torn between #47 and #49, but it was #49 I had my eye on. I thought that one was a beauty. Three german states represented and two enameled awards from central power's countries -very nice. Ultimately however my resources were divided elsewhere and insufficient for the win. Anyone from this forum get #49? That Oldenburg cross made it even rarer. And maybe identifiable? 25 year cross, but no other early medals? :unsure:

who was the seller? <<<rubbing hands>>> :jumping:

At least they are the "clip in" kind. For the two green ribbons; the Saxon Civil Merit m/S and the Albert m/S should do it nicely. Pity they wouldn't be orginal to the bar, but still very nice. The other is missing an Albert and a Saxe-Ernestine House order m/S. The Ernestine may be a little harder to find.

I checked my notes on a book I have, "War Flying in Macedonia" by Heydemark for any reference to Strey -none. That doesn't mean he wasn't there, only perhaps Heydemark personally didn't know enough of him to put him in his book. I have a document group to a pilot who flew in the Struma sector and I felt lucky just to have his name mentioned in the book. On the last page! In typical fashion of the day, when the plane he was in was forced down the injuries of the observer (an officer) were noted, but the sergeant/pilot -not a word. Because of this group I have a particular interest in this front. Your group sounds excellent and I would really like to see scans/photos of it! What items do you have? Since no one else listed this information, and at the risk of listing something everyone knows, I'll post some known facts here; Uffz Strey J25 Victories: 1. 11/3/17 Caudron NW Kenali 2. 18/3/17 EA Monastir ------------------------------------------

Interesting ordering. I would have thought the Siam medal would have been put last after the Hungarian. But maybe the owner thought it looked nice and wanted to move it up in the placement, but not in front of German awards (of course). Still, I would prize that one if it came across my nose...even with the addition of the medals later (but I would recognize how it decreases its desirability -just a bit)

Great bars! Thanks for showing them. Some of us couldn't make it to MAX But maybe next year. If anyone else bought anything...please post some photos.

Sorry. No pictures of the reverse. I wish I did have pictures of the reverse. And for the other medal I'm trying to identify.

This medal is similar to the 100 year Anniversary of the War of 1812. It is even hanging on an Order of St. Vladimir ribbon, but the profile is different? Is this just a variant of that medal? Or is it a different medal altogether?

I managed to scan a photo of the medal. You can see some of the ribbon above although the colour is not clearly discernable. Any ideas what this is?

Sorry. I was too quick on the response.

From the looks of him I'd say he sat on a thone. Yikes- no wonder these guys had a gentleman's gentleman to get dressed!

Riley 1965: Outstanding bar! I think everyone on this forum would be ecstatic to have it in their collection. Great pick-up...even 15 years ago it wasn't a "common" bar. Let me know if it doesn't "fit" the medals of States you want to collect. I'll help you out. Rick: Am I right is assuming that this is a pre-wwi medal bar. All were awarded before the Great War. Later the recipient received his EK2 and updated his ribbon bar, but didn't bother with the medal bar.

Hello Alex K Yes, thank you. Orders are different than medals. I should have used two instead of one However, there is the ORDER of St. George and the Cross of St. George. Both of those use the same ribbon, but one is an enameled order (in the shape of the cross) and other is a one-piece medal in the shape of the cross. There are some wonderful photo examples on this forum for you to study how both an order and a lower medal can share the same ribbon. There are other examples of this happening as well. Imp. Russian medals usually use the ribbons from Imp. Russian orders. The ribbon chart bears this out. But I digress... The medal I am trying to identify is hanging from a light blue (or white) ribbon with yellow (or gold) stripes. The closest match I could find was a St. Catherine Order ribbon. And that is of an earlier version. (The 20th century ribbon colour was Red with Gold stripes.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was trying to identify the medal that would hang from a light blue (or white) ribbon with yellow (or gold) stripes? The ribbon pattern/colour actually looks a lot like the ribbon used for the Imperial German St. Henry Order...but that REALLY makes no sense. (it is neither a Imp. German hanger, nor a St. Henry hanging beneath it)

"WHITE"!?! with gold stripes. That explains a lot. My monitor makes it look more light blue. Then I don't know what this medal is? I thought I could figure it out on my own, but I think I ran up a dead end on this St. Catherine guess. I can't seem to download it to this forum. If anyone wants to see the obverse side of the medal I will email the word doc with the inserted picture for your curiosity. It's basically a "coin" shape bronze medal with the relief of St. George slaying a dragon underneath his horse. (and I know what immediately comes to mind, but it doesn't have the same orientation as the St. George Medal) The St. George Medal has the horse and rider facing left. This medal has them facing right.

Hello again, I was looking for the order/medal that goes with the Order of St. Catherine with a light blue ribbon w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes. (see the website below) This website shows a ribbon color for St. Catherine that is light blue ribbon w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes. It also shows the red ribbon with two thin yellow stripes with the notation that after 1717 is when they made the change. It's the medal (1st & 2nd class) that goes on this light blue w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes ribbon that I'm looking for. http://www.medals.lava.pl/ru/ru1.htm

Hello; Does anyone have any information and maybe a photo of the Order of St. Catherine? My Werlich and Durov books don't seem to cover that one. For merit or service? How was it earned? Number awarded? Thank you, -Claudius

Thank you Chip, I agree with your thoughts on this.

Hello again; I wanted to retrace my steps on this question of "private purchase" ratings patches. Does anyone know the procedure they followed...I mean, did they just walk into a town when in port and find a retailer to make a patch for their rating? What cities could they count on to find them? (Presumably port cities)? Were they available on board their ship/u-boot or could they only access them when they were on leave in Germany? Was it encouraged to buy them to put on their jumpers for everyday use? So many questions, sorry I was born with this curiosity .