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Hi Dave, I really like that you use the historic correct spelling of places, like writing Cassel instead of Kassel ? Regarding Lt dR Friedrich Lepper, he served within FA 39 from 03.10.1917 until 17.05.1918 when he was posted to BG 2/11. Both his BAMA file and the file on ancestry.de contains some contradicting info regarding his different aviation units. After the War he was a member of the society Bund-Bogohl, a society for former flyers from BAM,KG 2,BG 2,BG 6. He ended up as Hptm dL during WW2. Gunnar

Hi Dave, Regarding the later Luftwaffe und Dr Albert Hertz, I dont think he is the man with connection to RFAR 3. He later changed his family name to Hertz-Kleptow. I also have his Regiment as FAR 17. He received the EKI already on 30.08.1916, so in that way he is an candidate. He received the Erinnerunsabzeichen on 12.02.1920 as he did qualified for over three Years service within the Fliegertruppe. So the search continue Gunnar

Hi webr55 I dont think that the info on Wikipedia regarding Willy Kölker is reliable. It seems to be a complete mix-up with PlM candidate Lt dR Paul Billik. It apparently did not exist any pilot witn the name Kölker within the Fliegertruppe, no victory list have him, not mention in any loss lists. The photo shows a man with the U-boat badge. No Kölker is listed in the Marine ERL. So you can safely remove him Gunnar

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Hi, I realized that I could afford 6 Euro each month to get access to millions of names on ancestry.de, a huge amount RLs,RQLs, MWBs etc which no researcher in this area cant be w/o imo. ? It took me less then two minutes to find the promotion to Lt dR for Hagmann, 11.11.1916 (Leonberg) anyway, Except the BAMA file mentioned by Grey (actually wrong labeled regarding DOB), Hagmann also have an file in Berlin as well one military file in Stuttgart and some other files in Württemberg archives. Among his War flying units was FAA 223. Gunnar

Hi, some minor adds The MWB gives his promotion as follows: Lt 27.01.1907 mit P19.07.1905, Oblt 04.07.1914, Rittm 18.08.1915, zu Res 16.12.1918. This kind of info is easily found/searchable on ancestry.de. He ended up as Oberst zV during WW2. I have him in FB 4/2 when the War started, but I dont knew exactly when he joined the Fliegertruppe but probably during 1912 to 1913. Gunnar

Hi, I am searching info on Oblt dR x Levien from FAR 24 Stralsund. I do think he is the Lt dR Levien who apparently joined the Fliegertruppe during 1915. First serving in Iraq and later was commander of an flying unit in the border against Syria/Jordan. Lt dR 19.12.1911, Oblt dR 07.03.1917(promoted in a group from Fliegertruppe) Anyone who have his date and place of birth, or any kind of added info ? Mvh Gunnar

Hi Glenn, Thanks for checking the Regiment book ! This Stiller is apparently a hard nut to crack. The German had some sort of organization called "Asienkämpfer" but I dont knew if he was a member, Hopefully he will be solved some sunny Day. Gunnar

Hi all I am looking for date and place of of birth for Oblt aD x Stiller from Grenadier Regiment 1 Königsberg. I do not knew his first name. I know he started as an active officer and was promoted as follows, Lt 18.08.1912 mit P23.08.1910, aD 04.07,1914, Oblt aD 12.02.1916 (III Berlin). He did join the Fliegertruppe late 1915 and stayed there until EOW. In 1916 he served on the Western front, and later in the Turkish theater partly as leader of an aviation unit. It exist a book about his Regiment, but I am unsure if he is mentioned there. It exist an Oblt Georg Stiller in the address book for Berlin from 1920, the next Year he is listed as Hptm aD. Could it be him ?. After 1929 this Georg apparently moved away from Berlin. Anyone who can help ? Gunnar

Hi, I am searching date and place of birth for Oblt dR Karl Schuch from originally IR 32. During the last two Years of the War he served within the Fliegertruppe. He have a connection to Berlin and before the War he was living in Berlin as Bankbeamter. After the War he was living in Meiningen. I have his promotions. He received the Sachsen-Meiningen award on 25.05.1915 probably before joining the Fliegertruppe. He might be born around 1885. Anyone who can help ? Gunnar

Hi again Dave, No the notes about Anton service as commander of FA 17 is correct. Note that it did not exist any FFAs from 1917 until EOW, the last units were renamed to FAs or FAAs early Jan 1917. However it is not unusual to see that some units used an old (wrong) Stempel. Maybe they were too lazy buying an new Stempel with the correct unit name.. It is some times tricky to understand the unit name for an German aviation unit because also German clerks also made frequent mistakes due the renaming ? Gunnar

Hi Dave, Yes most sources published until today have mixed up Anton with the service of Hans-Wittich, partly due the fact that they served together in some units. I have read the BAMA file for Anton von Brederlow. Unfortunate it does not contain any KRL ? Anton started his aviation training already late 1911 (cannot find date in MWB) at FlgSt Darmstadt. Those who temporarily trained as flyers often went back to their Regiment, so I think that also Anton did that, as he did not received his FzAbx until spring 1914. He was "back" at FB 3/3 Darmstadt late 1913 or early 1914. I do believe that his War units roughly were like this: FFA 27, BOW - x. FFA 69, at least from 03.1916 until ca 01.06.1916 Com KG 4/21, ca 01.06.1916 until 07.11.1916 Com Js 17, 11.11.1916 - 04.05.1917 when WIA FEA 8, 06.1917 - summer 1917, after Lazarett FEA 11, summer 1917 - x Com FA 38 (ex FFA 69), at least from 11.1917 - 03.1918 Com FA 17 (not FFA), 12.04.1918 - 19.05.1918 Com JGr 11, 19.05.1918 - x Com Js 17, ev. 08.1918 - EOW known awards: Fz.Abz 03.1914, EKII 13.09.1914,Gr.Hess.Tapf.Med 20.09.1914,EKI 27.01.1915,EB 29.12.1917,BulgTapfMed IVKl 10.02.1918,Bulg.FzAbz 05.03.1918,Hohx 13.04.1918,ErAbz 1919. Also probably VwAbz Gunnar

Hi Dave Yes that is the signature for Anton von Brederlow, he left as commander of FA 17 on 19.05.1918. Gunnar

Thanks Dave When Otto Weber was promoted to Hptm dR he is listed among a group of the Fliegertruppe. However it also means that he could have been a Flakman or Luftschiffer. I do not think that he is the flyer within FFA 54. Georg Weber is a new name for me, I will see if I can find further info on him. I also dont think he is the wanted man. The wanted man could however have been Hptm Willy Weber (P) who was leader of an flying unit in 1918 with this rank. It existed an Luftwaffe Oberst with this name but so far I could not link them, but it means that he might have been an active officer. Gunnar

Hi again, I am coming back regarding the "Teller" with all the names. I now think that signature after von Blankenburg is Oblt Weber. He was apparently the regular pilot to Zorer around this time, May 1916. I have an possible candidate to be him, an Oblt dR x Weber from FAR 52. This Weber was later promoted Hptm dR on 19.05.1917 (VI Berlin). Can anyone help to identify him ? He will be a strong candidate to have received the Hohx. Btw, Georg Langhoff served at AFP Süd as Büro-Offizier during this period. Gunnar

Hi wbr55 The flyer Kurt Pedell from FAR 38, Geb 31.08.1893 in Bromberg received his Hohx on 03.06.1918 according to his BAMA file.

Hi Dave, I basically have the same info as you regarding Arthur Schoeller. In one source I have seen his birthplace given as Hellenthal, Schleiden which is nearby the given by you. I have not found any birth certificate for him but both his heirat certificate and death certificate gives Kirschseiffen, Schleiden which probably is correct place. In these two certificates his name is given as Artur Schöller, and he also himself wright his name so. ? But I believe Arthur Schoeller is his correct birth name. He was an original member and observer in FFA 4 which was formed out of FB 4/1 Straßburg at BOW, but I dont have notes on his pre-War service. He later went over to fly Giant a/c in RFA 501 before returning to an home-land unit in Aug 1918. Gunnar

Hi webr55, The BAMA file for Peter Ingenhoven born 16.12.1894 Düsseldorf gives the following awards for him during WW1. EKII 20.09.1915,FzAbz 22.05.1917,EKI 22.09.1917,VwAbz 01.08.1918,Hohx 16.08.1918 His only front-line flying unit was FA 33, 29.03.1917 - Ende Gunnar

Thanks Dave, For me it is little strange if not the "Berliner" Ernst Krueger received the HOHX3X as his military flying service is much more impressive then the other two, but the award system is not always logic. Anyway his obituary might give further info as his BAMA file only contains WW2 info. He was already before the War an well known pilot. Gunnar

Hi Webr55 The info regarding Hptm dR Ernst Krüger is extra ordinary interesting, at least for me I have hunted his date and place of birth for more then 15 Years. I was able to follow his life through the German address books which are available on the net. I was able to follow him from circa 1910 until 1940, mostly he was living in Cöln. I contacted the historische archive in Cöln but they could not find him, so maybe he was actually born in another place ?. Apparently he went over the Airfield from LEA 3 to FEA 7 to join the Fliegertruppe for for observer education late spring 1915 (they shared the same airfield). After education he took command of FFA 70 in Aug 1915. Later in 1915 he took over KG 5/27 and stayed there until the autumn of 1916. He then joined FEA 5 Hannover, first as Kp leader (dont knew which Kp) then as commander (Kommendeur) from circa March 1917. Late 1917 he became commander of FSS Asch. Schlachtstaffelgruppe A was not an official unit, only those with number was. So during his time as leader he apparently did belong to an AFP or Kofl stab. It existed a third high ranked Hptm dR aD Ernst Krueger within the Air Force. Born 29.08.1883 Berlin. He was leader of at least two Aviation units. Is he listed among those who received the Hohx ? Gunnar

Hi Matty Here is some info on Eitel Baske awards during WW1. EKII 09.1914 BeoAbz 13.09.1916 EKI 26.01.1917 Hohx 03.10.1917. VwAbz (schwarz) 29.08.1918, he was badly WIA 06.09.1914 ErAbz 02.03.1920

Hi I do think that Griegheim might be Lt von Griesheim, but there were like four candidates with this name. Gunnar

Hi Claudio Those missing in action and those who have died etc where omitted from the "yearly" Ranglisten/dienstalterslisten during the War. Carl Marmier is listed two times in the PVLs, first time on 27.07.1916 in RIR 221 as MIA, second time 17.08.1918 it was recorded that he died on 15.06.1916. His rank is listed as Oblt dL aD and born 30.01.xxxx in Frriedrichsdorf, Taunus. Cannot find Year of birth on ancestry.de. I forgot, also "normal" Ranglisten only included active officers, so those aD and dR are excluded. Gunnar

Hi, I am coming back regarding this thread. Does anyone knew when and where Georg Paul Neumann died ? Gunnar

Hi all, Robert Holtzmann apparently died 26.06.1964, anyone knew the place ? Gunnar