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Hi both, I had a search using the page that Rich’s link goes to. Using his name and entering the occupation as ‘soldat’ it had a few matches but most with a middle name so I started with the ones without one. Each name links to information held elsewhere, some didn’t work but because those that did showed the unit and I was able to rule each out. Then I found this close match Obviously this says 22 BCA & The certificate says 63 BCA The 63rd BCA were the reserve battalion for the 23rd. The 62nd BCA were the reserve battalion for the 22nd. Maybe he transferred ? from the 22👉63 or from 63 👉22 🤷‍♂️ So, In my opinion it’s worth trying to find a connection that may put this soldier in both units… hi Hendrik, I don’t suppose you know, or are able to find a connection between the 22nd & 63rd can you? I even thought maybe 22nd was actually a brigade or division that the 63rd belonged to, but its a new area to me and I’ve not had any luck yet. Nice group to have , well worth a little more time trying to get him identified and remembered properly. cheers tony 🍻

Most definitely a Z 👍 I’ve found this article, I don’t know which language it is in but I think it’s safe to guess the meaning of the relevant bit, the reverse is by : Johann Pfeiffer so the Z almost certainly isn’t for him. tony 🍻 PS I think I just realised the reason for both anomalies ! 👇 There are many variations of this medal, both sides, but I don’t think they are intentional. I think the stamp/dye got worn and was re-etched but the worn down design remaining was interpreted and repaired slightly differently over time… On the reverse. In all of them the leaves or acorns are in the same ‘footprint’, they overlay each other. So… The Z is actually an incorrect interpretation of the edge of the ribbon on the original. & I think the acorns were originally in pairs so one of the 3 acorns on yours should be a leaf. I noticed mine 👇 coincidentally has a similar upper unusual acorn but is missing the lower outside one, it’s been turned into a leaf. Yours 👇 These are a few others below. This first one particularly you can see different it is, in my opinion a worn dye. tony 🍻

hi Carlo, I’ve got two of these, the same design with the C not the Z, and neither has the mark yours has. nor any mark (maker or otherwise) on the rim or elsewhere that I can see… One thing I wondered is whether it could be the number 2 ? Obviously the photos never do the details justice so it may well be clear to you that it isn’t 👍 but you know me, I like to mention my random unlikely thoughts 😊 whether a Z or 2 it’s clear there is an intentional difference to the actual design of your medal (to that of mine for example), rather than a stamp or punch mark added post production such as those we find on the rim. If I only had your example here to go from, or if they all had it… I would be tempted to say it was the artist/designers mark or initial… however I would then expect, most likely, two initials 🤷‍♂️ An interesting find, well spotted. tony 🍻

I agree 🍻

A perfect match 👍😁

Or it may just be modern I guess... which only just occurred to me 🤷‍♂️ tony 🍻

Of course the sober me would have known better than to stick my nose in! It was an interesting subject to have a read up on however, the changing of a countries calendar system and not just once. Cheers both tony 🍻

Thanks Christian, your insight is always appreciated. Talk of the different ribbon for the military reminded me that there was a subtle difference to the designs of the Civil & Military medal. I learned from a Gent on here before that one has AVST, the other has AVSTR. and I’m pretty sure that the ones with AVST are the Civil and that is what mine here has… So I think I’ll put them like this for now Cheers Gents tony 🍻

Very kind of you to help Rebekah but unfortunately there isn’t a picture for us to see, if you see this reply and still feel inclined I’d enjoy seeing your grandfathers badge… cheers tony 🍻

I am a bit reluctant to comment as this is new to me however after some head scratching and note making I would say that the calendar system introduced and in use from February 1917 was the realigned Rumi calendar Thus, after February 15, 1332 AH (February 1917 AD), the next day instead of being February 16 suddenly became March 1, 1333 AH (March 1, 1917 AD).[4] The year 1333 AH (1917 AD) was made into a year with only ten months, running from March 1 to December 31. and that the ‘realigned’ Rumi was the system used by the bureaucracy/officials before the old system reached 1917… Respectfully I would go with 24 August 1917. cheers tony

Hello Gents, I didn’t expect this 👇 to turn into this 👇 😁

Thanks Graham 🍻 🍻 It’s not often I pick up nice looking pieces, I’m more inclined to go after the ugly knocked about ones and was pleasantly surprised to get these. They were all listed separately, I hoped to get 1 or 2 not 8! Maybe because it was the end of the month or because it’s coming up to Christmas… no one else bid on any of these & I got them at a bargain price. The ribbons are all very similar, I like to think all are related, maybe two sets… The separate two are bronze, I must be missing a Karl Truppen Kreuz at least 👇 If they do all belong together then I’d need to add the KTK and I’m guessing something silver too 🤷‍♂️ it would be a good looking bar 😁 Cheers tony

Thanks… It’s so elaborate, I couldn’t see it. tony 🍻

Hello Gents, I have a question about the correct ribbon for a Karl Signum Laudis… I was lucky enough to pick up a nice selection that may or may not be related, i of course prefer to think they are 😊 Included amongst it are the four below. Both Signum Laudis came with red ribbons and the 1908 was without a ribbon. As can be seen I have replaced the red ribbon on the Karl SL. As it was 👆 As it is now 👇 As a rule of thumb I’ve considered the red to be a civil ribbon and the ‘bravery’ ribbon used on these to be the military ribbon. When I checked though, the way I understood what I’ve now read is : A red ribbon for peacetime awards. A ‘bravery’ ribbon for wartime awards. In that case as Karl Signum Laudis were issued 1916 onward they would all be on a wartime ribbon wouldn’t they? 🤷‍♂️ So… pleae can someone clarify whether Red is a ‘Civil’ or ‘In peacetime’ ribbon & was I right to swap it or should I have left it? cheers tony 🍻

Hello Gents, I’ve found this page ‘in’ Scotland that has all sorts of lists and information including Indian service, officers, ww1… https://digital.nls.uk i just don’t seem able to ‘get it’ 😡 I couldn’t get a hit when searching for my guy… so I searched just the word ‘Captain’ 👇and still got ‘no hits’ 🤷‍♂️ Clearly I’m doing something wrong. Is anyone familiar with the army lists able to help please 🤞 cheers tony

Thanks as always Tracy, tis appreciated. tony 🍻 I couldn’t resist digging this one out, I knew there was one rabbit card in this little group , turns out there are 2. “ jagd auf den sonntagsbraten “ ” hunting for the Sunday roast “ it gives a different perspective to this next card, not a scene of cute bunnies to this soldier writing home but instead one of a tasty dish… Poor rabbits indeed 😁 cheers tony 🍻

Hi Gents, I’m pretty sure previously I found out the unit this ‘belonged’ to, one part of which had the distinction of wearing the crescent & star in gold… but annoyingly I can’t find it at the moment. ‘Zouave’ is one that keeps popping up in my search results and that is probably the answer but I still did not find the above reference to this one’s gold insigniaI that I was looking for. Maybe one of you Gents will know what I’m on about 🤷‍♂️ Regardless it’s a nice looking thing… Any thoughts or information welcome as always Gents cheers tony 🍻

One of the things I like about these is the fact they were the same for all ranks but having said that this is very cool. A bit like the aluminium version 👇 I guess this would be post war? or maybe period but made to be worn with dress uniform? Either way. I agree. Seems just a bit too flash for a simple soldiers frontline wear but who knows. Cheers tony 🍻

Hello Gents, some new arrivals… Below what I think is a lovely looking example : ’Der Tapferkeit’ , Bronze A bronze ‘Fortitudini’ it’s most likely my imagination but… to me (I see it everywhere!) the edge looks like it has had details filed off, lots of pits and flat patches like one sees on British medals. the 3 ‘sides’… and an unusual, presumably ‘war metal’ one : ‘Fortitudini’ The front is very worn but the reverse is curved inwards slightly and still sharp. It doesn’t clean up… I’ve tried. Cheers tony 🍻

Nice one Greg tony🍻

Hello Gents, cheers tony 🍻

Hello Gents, Although this is not my usual thing to buy I saw this, thought it was an interesting thing and I nabbed it. I thought maybe I’d add it here because of the signature and stamp if nothing else. cheers tony Paula, Josef Josef Paula 8 September 1915

I’ve got one of these, pristine condition… that’s the only way I’ve ever seen them (on ebay) so i’ve only ever bought the one. Really nice to see one with documents, it makes them more significant to me, so thank you 👍👍 cheers tony🍻

I thought the self appointed eBay police might let it go for charity, but i had had an initial look for a Jewish charity to ensure the irony of it being cancelled if they saw it, wish I’d done it now… 🙃 I did a side deal with someone who had sent me an offer and the charity missed out… so sod the rules! I got 22! quid back so that’s half the job lot payed for already… 😊 tony 🍻

Well done Rich, you found the experts! tony 🍻