Hi Glenn, Thanks That's funny, same as we saw at Carl, Louis holds a Patent of prussian SLt, whilst he retired from hannoverian service as a PLt (or so my source says), he also had an earlier prussian Patent then his beginning of actuall prussian service in 1866. I really hope someone could help me with some data from on of the two von Ebertz books (btw, where did you get this details?), as I hope he is mentioned there, especially since he was awarded an EKII. Interesting is, that EK's seem to have been not so widely spread during 1870/71 as they were during WWI. David