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here's one from 1954

This is just great, a dealer priced awards at the levels he was comfortable paying. No wonder sale prices are so low. This guy should be prosecuted and punished for cheating Mongolian bank. The least they can do is to make him pay additional sum for purchase price, I am sure with the profits he made it will not hyrt him if he paid double of original price. But keeping in mind results of privatization sales in former socialist counries (I recently read that proceeds from privatization sales in Russia during 90s were around pitiful $30 billion - that's for thousands of enterprises, inlcuding natural resources such as oil, gas, metals, etc) - Mongolians did well. William

Hi, Prices you are listing are good deals, you can ceratinly sell the medals for more if you want to. Overall medals are not that scrace, most can be found within reasonable period of time. Rarer ones are Czech orders (especially 1950 type) and document for Bulgarian Partizan Star. William

I understand that some of us place great importance on research and are very excited about pissibility of Mongolian awards being researchable, but I think we should scale down our expectations. First, not all research is the same. You can get citation for long service, which I suspect will be typical for many Red Banners. To me such citation is not interesting at all (as compared to citations for some heroic deed), I would consider it waste of money and it's not very far from being un-issued award. Second, some Mongolian awards may never be researchable due to various reasons, like most of NKVD and labor awards in Soviet system. What do you do with such awards then? Sell them as scrap metal? William

Rick, If you ever come accross any non-awarded orders - send them my way. I'll be happy to pay you more than scrap value On the serious note - there's always will be market for un-awarded medals. There are many collectors out there who never ordered a piece of research. Going by your logic - anything exept Soviet serial numbered awards should be selling for slightly more than scrap value. Let's see - value of silver in German Knight Cross is about $40 - how come they do cost close to $10,000 these days? Or Russian Horde EK1, or recent batch of mint Deshler KVK1 - why do they go for a lot more than issued salty pieces? William

Ed, How much were they selling for? Just curious... William

Mongolian Central Bank received approximately $223,000 proceeds from the sale of 1,200 awards. Interesting to note that Combat Red Banner 1939 2nd award was priced less than CRB without numeral ($600 vs $855). William

I know for sure I will never have complete collection. That's the fact I have to live with. The truth is that I already missed out on some heavy items. Five years ago 1st class Kutuzov was expensive at $6,000-7,000, but I could afford it. It was somehow affordable 3 years ago at $15,000. Today, at $60,000-80,000 or whatever the price is if you can find one, - it is totally out of reach for me. Even if I had that kind of money to drop on Kutuzov, I would not do so for simple fact that there are better uses of capital than to buy some badge. I agree with what some posters said here - find what interests you and what you can comfortably afford financially. There are still relatively low priced items out there - you can collect Liberation medals, variations of OPW, or Iron Crosses. As long as you enjoy the process. William

No document for this award. It is numbered though and it looks worn , so I hope it was awarded to someone.

This thread has need quiet for a while Here's my set of Red Banners 1 through 4. William

Here's my Order of Labor. I have to say that's very nice award! William

I understand bars are put together, but did he at least use authentic medals? I see Austrian Mil Merit cross on one bar, which would be very difficult to fake because of fine enamel work. William

That's $140! Expensive for the book which can be downloaded as a file for free.

From practical stand - when the research becomes available - who's going to translate the paperwork? Do we have have ANYONE on this forum who knows Mongolian? William

It looks like no one saw flat-type star. It seems like it's the other way around and flat-type is rarer. William

Case after I cleaned it from dirt:

Hinge detail 2

Hinge detail 1

Reverse:

Hrea are some pics I took upon crosses' arrival. Front of the cross

The cross arrived today. The MM is "4" and the cross looks really sharp. I am not sure what dark area around the hinge base is, my guess is it's original solder as it does not look like there are any repairs to the cross. I was also able to clean the case (it was dirt) and it looks much better that the pic I posted. William

I have one with convex star as well. Does anyone have order with flat star?

I read somewhere that brave veteran was figting with the robber by holding on to his uniform & awards and managed to save Glory 1st class!!!! The thief eventually escaped with veteran's jacket, but 1st Glory was left in Kuznetsov's hand. That's what we call brave soul!!!! William

I am not sure about the MM, as the cross is still in the mail. 17 or 27 is based on what seller told me, i will post more accurate info once the cross arrives. William

Brian, Congratulations! I am looking forward to seeing your cross in this section. William