Dave Danner

Here is his entry from the Stammliste in the 1913 regimental history of IR 26. To fill in your rank list gap, it appears he was actually promoted to Hauptmann in 1881, but it was backdated when he was transferred to IR 26 in 1882.

Here is a PDF of the 1922 edition of the Zentralblatt der Bauverwaltung with his obituary. ZBBauverw_1922_007.pdf There's also a long article on "Die Knickfestigkeit vollwandiger Stäbe in neuer einheitlicher Darstellung" and some "Vermischtes" short articles because I have no way of editing PDFs. And his Wikipedia bio (in German): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Sympher Regards

These are Royal Bavarian Army Kriegsranglisten. Except for some Freikorps and vorläufige Reichswehr records, they do not have any information after World War I. The awards I listed above are the only ones in the Kriegsranglisten.

Weber has more than a dozen different Kriegsrangliste entries as he kept changing units. Here is a summary to add to what Rick previously provided: - born 14.10.1883 in Augsburg, son of OTLaD Wilhelm Weber and Maria née Zell 2.4.03 3-Jähr.-Frw. u. Fahnenjunker beim 2.schw. Reit.-Rgt. 1.7.03 Uffz. 28.10.03 Fähnrich You have his other prewar promotions from Rick Kriegsdienst: 2.8.14-1.4.15 Ordonnanz-Offizer bei d. 1. bayer. Kav.-Brig. 1.4.15-7.4.15 wegen chronisch Magenkatarrh im Feldlazarett Wieballen 7.4.15-15.4.15 Reserve-Lazarett Kolzin 18.4.15-1.7.15 in ambulante Behandlung im Res.-Laz. A München 1.7.15-1.8.15 zu Kurzwecken nach Bad Kissingen beurlaubt 1.8.15 z. Ers.Esk. 2.schw. Reit.-Rgt. 15.11.15 als Ordonnanz-Offizer z. Division v. Hartz 1.1.16 z. Ers.Esk. 2.schw. Reit.-Rgt. 14.1.16 Rittm. 15.1.16 z. 2. bayer. Ldw.-Esk. 12.3.16 z. bayer. Res.-Kav.-Rgt. Nr. 5 10.8.16 Ordonnanz-Offizer beim Armeeoberkommando 6 19.9.16 z. Rgt. zurück 10.10.16 z. bayer. Res.-Kav.-Schützen-Rgt. Nr. 5 14.10.17-15.11.17 z. Gkdo.z.b.V. 64 kdrt. 3.12.17-1.1.18 z. Art.-Kdr. 23 kdrt. 24.12.17 z. 15. bayer. Inf.Div. versetzt u. als Gen.St. Anwärter überplanmäßig zugeteilt 9.1.18 wegen Gefechtsneuralgie in das Res.-Laz. A München im ambulante Behandlung aufgenommen 10.1.18-8.2.18 zum 6.Gen.-St.-Kursus Sedan kdrt., Kdo. infolge Erkrankung aufgehoben 4.5.18 Luxation d. r. Gr. Zehe (Fraktur) durch Sturz mit Pferde 30.6.18 Lazarettbehandlung wegen Bandagierung am Fuß 6.7.18 bei 15. bayer. Inf.Div. wieder eingetroffen 7.7.18 4-wöchige Urlaub z. Wiederherstellung der Krankheit 4.8.18 im Urlaub krank gemeldet (Bandagierung am Fuß) 9.7.18 in ambulante Behandlung im Res.-Laz. D 11.9.18 Zuteilung z 15. bayer. Inf.Div. aufgehoben 18.10.18 unter Versetzung z. 5./1.schw. Reit.-Rgt. zur Dienstl. zum Kriegsministerium kdrt. u. beim Kriegsamt zugeteilt The date in his file for the EK1 is 5.2.17. Bavarians typically have up to three different award dates for EKs: the date it was actually awarded, the date officially awarded by the King of Prussia (or his delegated subordinates), and the date the King of Bavaria granted permission to accept the award.

Nothing on Leist in the Bavarian Kriegsranglisten.

Georg Alfred Mayer, * 17.3.1883 in Munich • Bayern: Jubiläumsmedaille für die Armee (1905) • Preussen: Kronenorden 4.Klasse mit Schwertern (30.7.06) • Bayern: Militär-Verdienstorden 4.Klasse mit Schwertern (16.2.07) • Preussen: Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse (24.7.19) • Deutsches Reich: Südwestafrika-Denkmünze Presumably also the Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-432-0-67591000-1372905780.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-432-0-85043900-1372905792.jpg

Duplicate topic. Go to http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/58978-rittmeister-karl-von-klewitz-wurttembergisches-dragoner-regiment-nr-25/

Can someone fix the thread title? Eduard wasn't his surname, Carl Eduard was his given name. Royals don't have surnames, but as a matter of practice, he would be either "Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Carl Eduard" or "Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Carl Eduard Herzog von". One son, Prinz Hubertus, was killed in action in 1943 as an Oberleutnant in the Luftwaffe. Another, Prinz Friedrich Josias, who would head the house after Carl Eduard's death, was an Oberleutnant in the Army, serving in armored reconnaissance units and then in a bunch of staff jobs after Hitler got more leery of princes serving in combat. He did remain at the front well after the Prinzenerlass, though. The William and Harry to Carl Eduard's Charles, in some respects. Since this is a signature database, here is that of Prinz Friedrich Josias. Here is the last evaluation in his file, when he was an Ordonnanz-Offizier for Field Marshal Rommel. Shortly after this, on 25 June 1944, he was transferred to Frontaufklärungskommando 140.

Bock, Fedor von * 3. Dezember 1880 in Küstrin † 4. Mai 1945 in Oldenburg in Holstein Highest rank reached: Generalfeldmarschall Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (RK) - 30.9.1939 https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Personenregister/B/BockFedorv.htm Cropped from his Beurteilung of Georg von Küchler:

OLt. am 8. Oktober 1914.

OLt. Martin Redlich, from IR 66. Born in Frankfurt am Main. He was killed on 14 February, so he didn't command for very long.

He is an oddity. He is in the 1913 Berlin Adressbuch as a Hptm., no "a.D.", in Berlin-Wilmersdorf He then disappears until the 1918 edition, where he is listed as a Hptm.a.D., now living in Berlin W30 (Berlin-Schöneberg). He then disappears again until 1930, now listed as a Maj.a.D., and now living in Berlin SW29 (Berlin-Kreuzberg). Gone again in 1931.

RIck, It was posted on AHF by AlifRafikKhan, who provided de.wikipedia.org as a source. I don't know where on Wikipedia he found it, so I can't see who uploaded it there and what copyright permission they claimed. If we could find it, you could probably have it removed or properly credited there. Dave

The images that I have are about 1200 to 1300 pixels in width, but when you attach files here, they are automatically shrunk to the point of (even greater) illegibility. Krassmann Looks like he was transferred back to the control of IR 84, but sent for assignment at the front to 13.ID. I assume the "gem.Verfg.d.13.I.B." in the following entry is a typo for "I.D." since 13.ID's infantry brigade in 1917 was 26.IB. 13.IB was dissolved in 1915 when 7.ID was triangularized. IR 26 was formed on 1.10.34 as Infanterie-Regiment Flensburg. Its I. and III. Bataillone were formed from elements of IR 6 in Flensburg, and its II.Bataillon was formed from elements of IR 5 in Schleswig. It must have assumed the traditions of IR 84 from IR 6. More bad scribbles, but it looks like Stalag 312. I don't think there was a Dulag 312 - there isn't one in the list at the Lexikon der Wehrmacht. Stalag 312 existed from 4.42 to 8.43 under Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber Ostland, but no location is given. Kriegsgefangenen-Bezirkskommandant X. The Kommandantur was formed on 7.10.41 in Kirowgrad and was under Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ukraine. Dulag 162, Nikolajew, Ukraine, Heeresgruppe Nordukraine bzw. Süd, 11.43-27.08.44. So that was the Army Group to whose Führer Reserve he initially went on 10.11.44. His 1943 and 1944 Beurteilungen weren't in his file, so I couldn't cross-check the dates and unit designations, or see if did add a KVK1X. It's possible he got one by 1944 though. I'm not sure how much merit there was in Wehrmacht handling of Soviet prisoners in Ukraine, though. Dave

Here is Böhm's Dienstlaufbahn. He's not wearing a ribbon bar in the photo, but since the photo dates from November 1935 when his file was prepared and he reviewed it, he would not have had that ribbon bar yet anyway, since the Wehrmacht DAs were established on 2 October 1936. After that point, he only added a KVK2X on 24 December 1940, something which many officers never bothered to add to their ribbon bars. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-432-0-40873500-1372539183.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-432-0-33235800-1372539198.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-432-0-83349700-1372539217.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-432-0-48551200-1372539229.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2013/post-432-0-63499900-1372539243.jpg

He didn't get any other awards because he had a very short war. He was knocked from his horse by an explosion on 25 August 1914 while leading the 5.Kompanie of 9.IR, and spent the rest of the war undergoing medical treatment or sitting in the Ersatz battalion of 9.IR. He was transferred to the staff of the Stellv. General-Kommando II. bayer. Armee-Korps on 1 December 1917 and placed zur Disposition on 9 July 1918.

OK, how about this one? Perhaps a pattern is appearing. The formerly ruling house of Lippe-Detmold made a number of retroactive awards, dated 12.11.18, the day of Leopold IV's abdication. For those who did not have a prior lower Lippe war decoration, another award was given, dated one week prior for convenience's sake. Or maybe all these 5.11.18 LKs were awarded then, in a rush as it looked like their world was coming to an end. Or maybe the LKs were after the war too. Lippe appears to have continued to award war decorations (Kriegsehrenkreuz für heldenmütige Tat, Kriegsverdienstkreuz and Kriegsehrenmedaille) through 1922. For what it's worth, the officer in question was a Hauptmann and battalion commander in Königin Augusta Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 4 at the time of all these awards.

Franz Geßlein only had three ribbons: 12.03.05 Jubilee Medal for the Bavarian Army 14.02.15 Military Merit Order 4th Class with Swords 16.09.14 Iron Cross 2nd Class 19.05.18 Wound Badge in Black If they were mounted Bavarian style, the width might be similar to a five-ribbon bar of normal width ribbons.

You're welcome Daniel! Here is another possibility. In Geile there is listed a Maj.d.L. Bender whose HOH3X was gazetted on 18.9.17. The only Maj.d.L. Bender I know of is Waldemar Bender, Hptm.d.Gd.L. 1.Aufg. (Marienburg) des GdFußAR. He was given the Charakter of Maj.d.Gd.L. on 18.6.15, and was at the time Führer of a heavy howitzer batterie (schwere Feldhaubitze-Batterie) of the Gouvernment Königsberg in Tilsit. Born 12.2.1870 in Elbing, he was a Gutsbesitzer auf Klein Stoboy bei Elbing, and was killed by the Soviets in March 1945 there. Here is a crop of a picture from his silver wedding anniversary in 1923. I know the photo is grainy, but does this look like it could be confirmation of the HOH3X? Sources: MWB, 1914RL, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/47140513/person/6733923095 Regards, Dave

Hi Claudio! The clues are these: 1. That is a 1905 Jubilee Medal of the Bavarian Army, so we know he was a Bavarian officer then. 2. The ribbon bar shows that he was awarded the Sachsen-Meiningen Ehrenkreuz before he received his Bavarian MVO. 3. The medal bar precedence is more Prussian than Bavarian, though not definitively so. The MVO is after the EK2, and the Jubilee Medal after the SMK. Technically, the Jubilee Medal was supposed to rank ahead of all non-Bavarian decorations except the EK2, although Bavarians were not strict with that, especially with war decorations. Having failed to find him among any of the known Bavarian recipients of the SMK or among any of the Sachsen-Meiningen born officers in the Bavarian Kriegsranglisten, Rick and I are inclined to think he was an a.D. Bavarian who on mobilization ended up in the Prussian Army. So he shows up in the SMK lists as just another Prussian, maybe a combat officer or maybe an Oberarzt/Stabsarzt or the like. Dave

Schwarzburg wouldn't have helped much, actually. They just had him as an OLt. in IR 153. Connecting the dots between the IR 153, RIR 66 and HKA Schneiders was only possible with his Wehrmacht personnel file. And my only "immaculate Godet Spange" still remains annoyingly elusive:

In case anyone is interested, Egon Schneider of Claudio's bar above also had a younger brother in the Imperial Army and Wehrmacht. Gerhard Schneider, born 17.7.1887, was commissioned into IR 153 straight out of the Hauptkadettenanstalt. He was an Erzieher at the HKA when the war began, and went to RIR 66. He spent the war in RIR 66 and various staff jobs, including serving as Ausbildungs-Offizier to Prince Noureddin of the Ottoman Empire. He spent World War II as Leiter of the Wehrmeldeamt Donaueschingen (OTL z.D. on 1.6.43). He was the otherwise anonymous Lt. Schneider at the HKA with the HSAE in the 1914 rank list, and the otherwise anonymous Lt. Schneider in RIR 66 with the EH3bX in Daniel's and Rick's Ernestine book. And like his brother, he got the SEK3X. Regards, Dave

At this point, there are way too many to be simply errors. There must have been a fairly large number of retroactively dated awards by the formerly ruling house. As it was a house order, not a state order, they did have the authority to award it after the abdication, though of course the state had no obligation to recognize it. Indeed, still existing houses continue to award their house orders, sometimes in really dubious circumstances (House of Anhalt, I am looking at you). But as we have seen with the Ernestine House Order, among others, the Third Reich and to some extent the Weimar Republic were fairly accommodating to their old princes. Even in the case of one order which was not a house order, the Military Order of Max Joseph, the Weimar Republic gave some degree of recognition to all the late-processed MMJO awards and name changes to "Ritter von". So whether or not someone manages to convince whoever heads the house to release their personnel roles or records, so we can confirm just when and under what circumstances the house order was awarded, I do think we have to include these awards, with an asterisk or some other notation. These were for the most part highly decorated officers who do not appear to have had any reason to simply make things up. They weren't guys at the local bar making up tall stories, but active officers. And dubiously awarded or not, they would have had ample opportunities to wear their awards, so ribbon bars or groups may show up, and we need to know who these guys were to help ID them. I've already posted above the file extract for Oberst Johannes Lutze. The snippet I just posted was from the file of Generalleutnant Werner Hühner. And there was also Werner's older brother, Oberst Eberhard Hühner. What about these guys, who also don't seem to have an obvious Lippe connection, but show up in Reichswehr and/or Wehrmacht records with Lippe House Orders? Are they on the official roll? • General der Infanterie Alexander von Hartmann • Oberst Oskar Karkowski • General der Kavallerie Wilhelm Knochenhauer • Generalleutnant z.V. Hans Knuth • Generalleutnant Gerd Scherbening It may be worth noting that four of these officers - both Hühners, Karkowski and Scherbening - came out of the same regiment, IR 51, though they had a variety of wartime assignments. Regards, Dave

How about this for a short gap between awards? One week.

Just a note. He could also have gotten to 25 years with police service. So an even more anonymous EK2/BMV4Xer. Also, from what I've seen in the Kriegsranglisten, the Austrian Military Merit Cross with War Decoration was pretty liberally awarded to Alpenkorps officers. Lack of that might narrow down the pool, if only slightly.