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Three-Sovereign Groups
Dave Danner replied to Ed_Haynes's topic in Great Britain: Orders, Gallantry, Campaign Medals
Not only three sovereigns, but a 40-year span of history: Victoria on the QSA, named to Corporal E.W. Tabb, 2nd Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry George V on the BWM, named to Serjeant E.W. Tabb, still Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry George VI on the Defence Medal, probably for Home Guard service by Mr. Tabb. -
In trying to reconcile information from various sources, I have a minor mystery that hopefully some with more and better resources (especially ones with names like Rick and Glenn J) can possibly clear up. The website pourlemerite.org's list of plM recipients is full of typos. In looking through the list. I noted one name: This name probably should be Osiander, as Oslander is not a German name, but there are three Osianders in the Ehren-Rangliste des Heeres. The Baden MKFVO list includes a Wilhelm Osiander, who received his MKFVO as a Major on 24 March 1917. However, Daniel's list of his other awards includes wartime and post-war awards, but not the plM: EK, HOH3X, DA25, China, Centenar, BZ3bXmE, BZ3bmE, BadJubi 1903, SA3aX, FEK, HSH3b, Schles.Adler. This Osiander was a field artillery officer, the commander of FAR 15, and after the war apparently led the Freiw.Feldartillerie-Rgt. Osiander in the so-called "Division von Lettow des Garde-Kavallerie-Sch?tzen-Korps" of the Freikorps. There was one other Osiander, also a Badener, who was a Major in 1918 who might have been the plM recipient. He was a transport officer, so normally you wouldn't expect him to be the one with the decorations, but having served in German South-West Africa in 1905-07, he already had pre-war the KO4X and BZ3bX. My instinct is that it is the former, the field artillery officer, who is the plM recipient. Can anyone confirm and/or provide any additional details?
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For Bremen's Hanseatenkreuz, the Navy's use of BremH is probably preferable, to avoid confusion with other "B" states (not that you're going to see it too often, but BH is the "standard" abbreviation for the Bavarian Order of St. Hubertus). For Lippe-Detmold, the Milit?rverdienstmedaille is usually LMV. The Kriegsehrenmedaille, being more a civilian award, doesn't show up in ranklists, so you don't see an abbreviation. LKEM probably works. Also, keep in mind that for certain awards, especially the principle military decorations, the "standard" abbreviations are not commonly used. You tend to see plM, MMJO, MSHO and MKFVO (or just MKFO) for the top military awards of Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony and Baden, respectively. Many commonly refer to the Baden Order of the Z?hringen Lion as ZLO. The Ricks' list also notes the common use of SEHO for the Ducal Saxe-Ernestine House Order, rather than HSH or HSEH.
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Given that there is no obvious connection between both Hamburg and Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach, could there possibly be a maritime connection? An army observer attached to a shore unit might narrow the field a little. Of course, if we don't know who this guy was in WW1, we know what he was doing in WW2. Professional arsonist, working under the cover of the Allied air offensive. Or do you think it is mere coincidence that the archival award records are missing for Hamburg, Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Saxe-Weimar.
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Some typos and discrepancies: Allmann → should be UllmannAppenzelle → I believe should be AppenzellerBeck Erich → Erich von BeckBeck Leopold → Leopold von BeckBoth Ludwig Bergs are "von Berg"Blockner → GlocknerBogt → Vogt (also, probably not the Vogt in IR 28, who was a Major and was KIA in 1914; there were three other Vogts who were actually in Baden regiments)Brandehrens → BraunbehrensBr?hl-Schneider → Br?hl-SchreinerDierling → VierlingEichhorn → EschbornFelsche → FelschFenne → JenneFritsche → FritschFust → JustGrandenberger von Moisy L. → Gandenberger von Moisy, LudwigG?lery Ravensburg, Frhr → G?ler von Ravensburg, Eberhard FreiherrGr?we, Edler von → Graeve, Wilhelm Edler vonHerzberg → Hertzberg, Kurt Graf vonHoser → HoferHolz → Holtz (also, I think this may be Viktor)Jumricht → HumrichtKitzling → Ki?lingLauterschl?ger → Lauteschl?ger, Georg Bal.ErnstLeienk?gel → LeinenkugelLeiningen, Durch, F?rst zu → Emich Eduard Carl F?rst zu LeiningenLilienhoff-Zmomitzki, von → Xaver von Lilienhoff-ZwowitzkiLivonius Georg → von Livonius (also, I'm not sure Georg is the right von Livonius)Lorne, von St Ange O. → de Lorne de St. Ange, Oskar (later changed his name to von Lorne von St. Ange)Marschak von Bachtenbrock → Marschalck von BachtenbrockOstander → OsianderPreuschen, von → Ludwig Freiherr von Preuschen von und zu LiebensteinRaderhoff → Daniel's list has Naderhoff, but I can't find either name.Richard → Richarz,Schvenebeck → Hermann von SchoenebeckSchmeickert → SchweickertS?ler von Ravensburg, Frhr → G?ler von Ravensburg, Egon FreiherrSteiglehyer, Frhr Paul → Paul Karl Franz Gustav SteiglehnerI should have an annotated list up tomorrow, though of course it remains a work in progress.
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Not all German states. Among those that did: Baden Brunswick (Braunschweig) Hannover Hesse-Darmstadt Lippe-Detmold Schaumburg-Lippe Oldenburg Reuss, Younger Line Saxony Saxe-Weimar Saxe-Altenburg Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Saxe-Meiningen Schwarzburg-Sondershausen W?rttemberg None of these are particularly common, and some of these are extremely rare.
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British Serviceman awarded Bronze Star
Dave Danner replied to bigjarofwasps's topic in United States of America
I must say I find it insulting to the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines on the receiving end that those piss-poor quality recently cast Silver Stars are what they are given. Below, by comparison, is a 1940s-produced Silver Star. What is particularly galling is that the government has/had tons of these in storage, from various WW2 contracts, which they sold off to the collector market, while awarding the newer crappy ones. It's not like they were in danger of running out. Since Vietnam, the services have awarded less than 600 Silver Stars (I'm not sure of the exact number as I can't find Air Force statistics). -
For World War I, Klietmann gives 53 Knights with Lions and Swords and 182 Knights with Swords, but these numbers apparently only cover W?rttembergers and non-W?rttembergers serving in W?rttemberg units. There were at least 8 Navy WK3Xs - if any of these weren't W?rttembergers that would push the number up somewhat. The list that I generated from a 2002 WAF thread, based on input from Rick L., Daniel and Werner Nickel, had 33 WK3XmL and 187 WK3X. There may be some inaccuracies and duplications there. Dr. Pfleiderer is not on the list, and almost every medical person listed there is an Oberstabsarzt. For combat arms officers, almost all WK3X recipients were majors, and WK3XmL recipients were lieutenant colonels. BTW, W?rttemberg is a -berg, not a -burg.
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I have a candidate, by the way. Maybe Daniel can rule him on or out. Dr. Pfleiderer, a Stabsarzt in Landwehrbezirk E?lingen. In 1914, he was shown with the Silver Karl-Olga Medal, the LD2 and the Prussian Red Cross Medal 3rd Class. I only saw one other officer, Oblt. Kohlhammer of Landwehrbezirk I Stuttgart, with the Silver Karl-Olga Medal who didn't have higher awards. But he's field artillery, so all the medical-type awards wouldn't fit. Of course, the Silver Karl-Olga Medal continued to be awarded until 1916, and the LD2 could also have come later, so the 1914 rank list might give candidates, but not rule others out.
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The real oddity, of course, which I'm sure Stogie-Rick noticed, is the Milit?r-Verdienstmedaille with the Geneva Cross. A W?rttemberger with a Schaumburg-Lippe decoration is one thing, but a W?rttemberger with a rather uncommon version of a rather rare Schaumburg-Lippe decoration, and without Schaumburg-Lippe's more typical wartime decoration, is a bit intriguing. There were over 10,000 awards of the Cross for Loyal Service (Kreuz f?r treue Dienste), Schaumburg-Lippe's Iron Cross equivalent. There were probably less than a 1,000 awards, if even that, of the Milit?r-Verdienstmedaille (no one knows exactly how many were awarded in World War One, but only 583 were awarded in the Franco-Prussian War, when the MVM was Schaumburg-Lippe's main military award). I can't imagine awards with the Geneva Cross were more than a minority.
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The rank lists may be wrong. The Bronze Bravery Medal was an enlisted man's award. Unless he got it before August 1915, when he was still a Fahnenjunker. Alternatively, he and other Germans who received the Bravery Medal as officer candidates might have simply decided to "grade up" the award to befit their officer status. This picture shows him with two rows of ribbons, but is too fuzzy to make out a lot of detail:
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http://cgi.ebay.de/Ordenspange_W0QQitemZ62...1QQcmdZViewItem It seems to be inserting an extra space after the "/" and before "Ordenspange". I can't delete it for some reason, The medal combination is impossible, but maybe the ribbon bar corresponds to something else and someone "fixed" it with the medals there?
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Heer SS KC Winner
Dave Danner replied to Chris Boonzaier's topic in Germany: Third Reich: Wehrmacht Medals, Decorations & Awards
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Apparently, Korea (MASH), Vietnam (Tour of Duty, after the 1st season) and various planets around the galaxy (Star Trek), look amazingly like southern California.
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The proper names are the Cross for Merit in War (Kreuz f?r Verdienste im Kriege), which is the officer's version, and the Medal for Merit in War (Medaille f?r Verdienste im Kriege), which is the enlisted version, both established on March 7, 1915. There were 4,653 of the Cross and 24,038 awards of the Medal during the war. As Rick mentioned, the Ducal Saxe-Ernestine House Order would be the other award the duke could confer. A lieutenant might get the Knight 2nd Class with swords as his next award after the Cross for Merit in War. The Cross for Merit in War on a medal bar: The Medal for Merit in War on a medal bar: Some more information on my Saxe-Meiningen awards page here: http://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals/saxemeiningen.htm