Ed_Haynes

The Huai-hai Naval Campaign Victory Medal Presented by the Central China of the PLA RMM 524, p. 52; ZGHG 236, p. 72

The Medal for the North China Liberation RMM 533, p. 53; ZGHG 227, p. 69

The Liberate Northwest China Medal Presented by the Military and Political Committee of Northwestern China RMM 529, p. 53; ZGHG 228, p. 69 The ribbon treatment is unusual.

Here arre a few more additions to this old thread. While my specimens are not in great condition, they do constitute some of the few items from the PRC about which we can be reasonable certain in the otherwise shifting swamp of PRC medals. While soem of these have been reproduced and some of these may be questionable, others are in such poor condition that they must be real. I present them for commentary and discussion as much as for information. For reference, I shall refer to two items: -- RMM - Illustrated Collection of Badges in the Chinese People's Revolutionary Military Museum -- ZGHG - that "other book," small, softback, all-Chinese, something about "Zhong Guo Hui Zhang" Sorry, my Chinese language skill is close to zero ("Liang ping pi jiao!"). The Liberate Southwest China Military Medal Presented by the Southwest Military Zone of the PLA RMM #530, p. 53; ZGHG shows two varieties, 229, p. 69, and 270, p. 70 for next of kin (two extra characters above the pin on the reverse), this is the first "normal" variety)

Oh . . . though I was going blind(er) . . . .

Usually, it would have been lynching, not tar and feather, but less bureaucratic for sure.

Yes, when you conjoin an revolution and a civil war it gets nasty; lots of "loyalists" were killed by revolutionaries in the British North American colonies in the aftermath of 1776 (and vice versa).

Thanks for this - the reality of any civil war.

I get nice black backgrounds by scanning at night with lights off and scanner top open - it gives a nice non-existent black background.

Hooray! Envy exudes!!

Yes . . . the perennial trade-off -- and I am never certain where I come down: pretty, pristine, and untouched or soaked in history (and beaten up by that same history)?

Neither is cheap, but sometimes quality costs. Likewise, while no dealer (or collector) is perfect, there is something to be said for dealing with established and trusted folks -- you may pay a premium for that, but . . . ??

Actually, it was my understanding that when Churchill was First Lord and spearheaded the move to shift the navy from burning coal to buring oil in 1912 (whence many problems, of course), he was attacked for proposing something contrary to naval traditions. Winnie responded in parliament that, so far as he knew, there were only three RN traditions: "Rum, buggery, and the lash."

Not entirely - I have kept horses - or been kept by them ....

Sorry for the digression . . . Why do I consistently read the initial "Pf" in the title of this topic thread as an "M"?? . . . back on topic . . . .

Your wish is my command. I'll try to pick up a few in Ulanbaatar this summer. Really, I will . . . .

The one Dr. B. shows looks like it was made from recycled oil cans. The e$cam one is much better quality. Too good? Until we know more (chronology, for example), who knows, . . . ??

It is going to take a better scan than the one we have here to do this, Haynau. As you know, so many people consider any script other than Roman (or maybe Cyrillic) to be just "squiggles", and so never take care to depict it clearly.

And, by the way, rather than being "anti partisan" (that sounds really Nazi), I'd guess this would be for the partisans who fought in Sukhbaatar's 400-man strong partisan army that captured Khigat from the Chinese on 18 March 1921 (a day that would become Mongolian Army Day and a highly symbolic moment in the early history of the nation). This came to be seen as THE turning-point in establishing Mongolian independence from China.

With apologies to Dr. B:

Yep, it is there, p. 80, under army badges, as C 05, "Partizan, 1921". No details, and Battushig admits the badge sections are less than perfect (but it is something!). He has talked about doing a badge update online.

I know a couple of historians who do Mongolian history, and I'm sure they can read it. Not a large stable of these folk exist; kind of like the population count of those who can read Manchu. I doubt there are many in Ulanbaatar who could handle it, after all these decades of Cyrillic. Should any of you get the document, or one like it, I can ask around. Although, should all else fail: http://www.linguamongolia.co.uk/

I'm not sure we yet know enough about Mongolian badges that early to be sure about much. While the "orders" may have been made in the Soviet Union, where were the lesser badges made? I'm not sure we know. If legitimate, the pair seems pretty rare. All (all) you'd need is someone to translate the Mongolian!

Splitters . . . !!!

Thanks, but that link is of no use. What you posted here is GREAT however. Thanks!!