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    Emanuel

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    1. Rare Serbian officer Medal Bar with the British Military Cross
    2. Well, what I have to say is a nice full original Medal Bar of course with original ribbons and hooks. It's not of course a ribbon bar as our good friend from UK suggested but an obvious full size Medal Bar. Now, as he got the Red Cross Order ( the one with the red enameled cross) and not a single Bravery medal that would suggest Battlefield action, I suppose he is a High medical officer. So both his White eagle orders are without Swords, he receive the gold ( 4th class) and the Silver (5th class) White eagle order, next to his Yugoslavian Crown,Saint Sava and Red cross orders. Interesting addition here we can see the Saint Andrews 40 year commemorative medal (8th position), it's relative rare to see it on an officer, he must be high ranked one, well a guess.... Any Military virtue or long service medals ( here the last ones cannot be the case as we talk about medical officer) would be AFTER the Saint Andrews commemorative medal. About the Albanian retreat medal? As I said in my previous post, the biggest mess once more and the only mistake on this nice original Bar, he just add these medals by chronological events, first the A' then the B'Balkan medals, the Albanian retreat and then the WW I commemorative medal, exactly how these campaigns was for the Serbian Kingdom.
    3. Greetings once more, Nice homework you done there Paja once more,nice to see you interested much for the subject of Serbian medal bars. Well, there is indeed inconsistencies on Serbia medal bars, but it's not the only country with this issue, remember we are dealing with people that had those medals and mistakes can happen always,aside the craftman that sometimes can do the same mistake out of ignorance despite the good explanation of the awarded person in which line to set the ribbons, it happen. What I saw, the biggest problem is with the Albanian Retreat medal, there is where many Officers,NCO and war veterans have these issues with their medal bars. What we have to remember here, that this is not actually a COMMON commemorative medal, it's a CAMPAIGN medal ( from a very unique, painful and deadly campaign as a whole Army pull from the mountains and landed in an other nation to recoup, impressive indeed!!) When time passed ,after the war ,they saw what great achievement was that ,thus they gave the proper attention to this award, it's a high decoration, close to Bravery medal and for me, those people that walk that snowing path was Heroes. Now, about the proper line up of the medals after the orders ,from MY knowledge that I deal with them some years is the following. 1.ORDERS, 2.Serbian Charity cross ( here people doesn't know that this was actually Order in that era and NOT a medal as collectors names it from the issued law of that time). 3.Medals of Bravery ( Here the line up is first of all the Medal of Obilic OR the Serbia as lady Bravery medal ,then all the other Bravery medals, French military medal, Greek Military bravery cross) The ONLY bravery medal that comes before Obilic bravery medal, is the British military cross.l 4.Peter's Coronation medal. 5.Then it follows the Albanian 1915 Retreat medal. 6.Military virtue medal 7.Long service medals, Gold and Silver. 8.Commemorative war medals, a) A Balkan war medal "Osveceno kosovo" ,b) B' Balkan medal ( Π Cross ) , c) A' World war commemorative medal ( Peter's cross) If there was in possesion medals from previous wars,they was coming in front of those commemorative war medals. .So, you will see notice several medal bars out there that are not going with the instructions of the Medal and Orders Chancellery's office issued orders,but frankly I do not believe many of the officers gave much attention to this. Last but no least ,remember that even King of Yugoslavia, Alexander I Karadjordjevic had his Albanian retreat medal at the last place of his Medal Bar I know what you will say, last addition, why bother making a new bar? Just add it at the end and all in place Hope it helps somehow
    4. That's odd too ,Coronation medal comes in front of all Commemorative medals (including any kind of long service and Military merit medals) but AFTER all Bravery medals ( Obilic and all the Serbian-Turkish war medals ) even AFTER the French Military cross.
    5. Greeting Paja, I remember this Empty medal Bar too. What we have here is a mix of original and post war ribbons on an original medal bar, device is proper and original too. Of course all the hooks are missing and the stitching at the back as our friend said is on amauter level, never saw a worse one even on Serbian medal bars ( the few that are around as they are very rare indeed) got no such stitching. I will post some pictures soon of my Serbian medal Bars, I do not posses any from Obrenovic era but I can find a couple of pictures to see what kind of "folding" for ribbons they was using back then.
    6. Greetings fellow members. I just notice a sale of a FAKE Serbian medal Bar on Ebay, so just to inform whever bought this or who might find it on sale in the future, that this is a complete new medal Bar and for sure not with original Ribbons from Serbia Kingdom period. Medals are original of course. PS:No problem with reproduction, but BIG problem with sellers that CLAIM ORIGINAL period Medal bars..... ;)
    7. Nice Jovan, great collection you have there, thumbs up for your photos with the variants.
    8. Nothing, glad I was of help Now ,if you talk about this Cap badge that I attach and you seek for a correct price evaluation, I can say you with certainty that the price of 190 Euros was indeed correct for such a badge. Emm.
    9. Yes, you have several variations of course, but as one picture is better than 1000 words,I will show you are you are interested much in this subject all those badges and their variations from two scans of a book. Here you can see what you need and of course you can notice among them, your own badge Hope it helps somehow....
    10. Original Serbian Chetnik Ravna Gora badge in mind condition from "Georgetown hoard" Congrats, nice item chetnik1942
    11. If its a ground find from that area, then its most likely a badge that was on wear from Chetnik warriors that made a breakthrough and retreat from Croatia and Slovenia to Italy. Battles occur during that retreat,so your guess is right. I had a complete one in perfect condition with red cloth (infantry) on a NCO field green cap,but I pass it to a friend. Hope in time ,you will share more of your finds ;)
    12. Hi there Matt, looks like a ground find, yes indeed it's from the Kingdom of Yugoslavia period, NCO cap badge part, that was used to be in wear from Chetnik warriors during WW2. Pity its not complete..... :(
    13. Greetings CG, no luck this time, this should be a World War II Yugoslavian Partisan badge,pins are not correct, this is a modern replica of the badge you show next to it. No offense I believe, it happens to all of us... Regards Emanuel
    14. Greetings GC, Original Late post WWII Partisan badge of early Yugoslavian forces ( not even JNA at that time ). The quality is good enough and as Valter said, these are kind of rare and in more variants, the best are the enamel ones, like yours...
    15. I understand what you are saying,but again not to leave wrong impressions, I really mean that the badge is not the one that was awarded to Chetniks in exile from the King or his representatives. These are very expensive pieces and well ranked in high demand, so someone really has to pick up the correct reference literature instead of buying suspicious badges that think that are original FYI, you may willing to trade your Parade Infrantry dagger with this badge, but it's kind of impossible ,as the badge is quite more expensive than the dagger If it was Air Force Kingdom dagger, then we could talk about it :D
    16. Not to be blunde, but the Ravna Gora Chetnik badge ( first one from the left from the lot picture ) it's a copy or reproduction, take it as you like,I don't mean it's made on purpose to fool someone and buy it for a full price....
    17. COPY And wrong date on a copy medal of an other date, means all mess up..... And the suspension ring is broken and adjusted again, but I guess mostly to make impression.
    18. I can understand why Chris is sensitive on this matter and thus, he open this thread as he had such a piece in the past, dunno if he still got it.... He can only answer the Question. Nice piece this one, too expensive though, but as someone said above, it's an auction and these things can loose control sometimes.....it's not unusual for Ebay.
    19. It's not Greek-Italian-Serbian or Yu Kingdom, that's for sure.....
    20. This is a JNA Army Infantry Battalion Flag, keep the picture as future reference, as Valter mentioned, these flags are very, very rare items, that hardly you can find and purchase as the units keep them in their private rooms or they end in Museums. @Valter There is no unit name on them Kind regards Emanuel
    21. A very nice Order, well preserved, indeed please do not touch the patina at all. I am sure you are satisfied from your purchase, when you have time, shoot the Greek order too Best Emanuel
    22. It's original, Silver Bravery medal ,known as Milos Obilic. Awarded for Bravery for 2nd Balkan War and for WW I. It's very worn though and the suspension ring it's not his , ribbon seems original from the other side. If you need a suggestion price for this medal,I would say not to pay more than 25 Euros. Hope it helps.
    23. Greetings Drclaw and welcome to our forum. If you bought the one from broof, then be sure it's genuine ,he doesn't sell fakes as he is a very decent seller. Regards Emanuel
    24. Great purchase Balkanphila, I like this Document a lot, it's great indeed !! Cheers
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