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Does anybody know how this may be. It looks like he is wearing the following: a) Bavaria: 1849 or 1866 cross b) Bavaria: Long Service Cross for 24 or 40 years of service c) Hessia-Darmstadt: Ludwig Knight Cross 1st or 2nd class d) Hessia-Darmstadt: Phillip Order Knight with Swords 1st or 2nd

Thank you!!!!! It looks indeed like someone would do to enhance a form for casting new PlM's. May I add a blow up of the real coined eagle: This may it clear that there is/was a necissity to work the form before casting a glop of eagle. You will find similar ones on ebay - lately.

Looking more and more into polar expeditions, I was wondering if somebody knew something about this topic from the Russian angle. Did the Russians do something there, were any medals or badges issued? Especially in Spitzbergen? Any help is appreciated.

Les, I absolutely agree, there is nothing that does not exisit when it comes to collecting medals. Decorations have been to often repaired, modified or upgraded by the recipient. If you would see the picture, you would certinaly agree. The Crown device looks more like something from a German Shooting Society's price. Yet, it still be possible that this one is one of those modified after 1945 by the Ordensgemeinschaft.

As good or as bad as the Nimmergut may be one has to know that he used a lot of photoshoped pictures in there as much as known fakes and fabrications. The crown and oak leaf devise has nothing to do with anything sanctioned by the orders chancellery before 1918, but could certainly be something given by the "Ordensgemeinschaft" long after the wars.

I will take one of each for sure.

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Congratulations - a bar with stroies to tell. On a side note: As a seasoned business traveler there is no comparison with todays and those days travel. Imagine going to war in South america in the 19th century.

Can you post a picture of the reverse? I am very curious about the Brazilian medal.

Isn't Meyer (Hofkunstanstalt) an Austrian Manufacturer?

...and another before 1918 Inhaber Cross for comparison:

I agree. Especially since this is a bar made after 1934. The soldier was already awarded with the albert with crown. But keep in mind that the crown was awarded in larger number to the likes of a Major rank during WWI. Mostly for retirement during the war. Hence the combination is possible. I used to own a similar bar with the addition of a Griffin order knight.

Only pre Doorn from before 1918:

I have not paid much attention to this topic, but remembered the Eagle of the Knights. It is actually pictured in Thies's 22.Auction page 36 #75: "Adler der Ritter, vergoldet und emailiert. Am Originalband. im Originaletui des Juweliers Gebr. Godet, Berlin.Schoenes einwandfreies Original aus dem Exil in Doorn. in dieser Ausfuehrung extrem selten. Zustand 2. 400"

Bronze gilt can look exactly like gold, is even lightweight. think of all those bronze gilt Ernestine House order 1st class badges with swords, people thing that they are gold, but really are not.....

The case is indeed a late case, but are you sure the center of the cross is really gold? Should be bronze gilt.

I think he had that in one of his thinner catalogues listed, but I will check later.

Not from the Doorn period, but I believe that Thies had a Eagle of the Knights for sale in one of his auctions in case with documents.

OK, I went back into the original post and added to the pictures.

Both 3rd classes are Silver gilt!

This may help: two MVO's on medal bars. Both 4th class with crown and swords in silver gilt: left MVO 3 Silver gilt - right MVO 4 with gold center MVO 3 Silver gilt

What I always liked about those are those bars that may be "home"-made and do not fit in any regulations.

For sale on the E-Stand a named (von Hollen) Stahlhelm flag bearer group:

Apreciate your answers.

Wilhelm issued a new decree on January 18, 1865, as follows: The stars of the Red Eagle- and the Crown Order 1st class will not be worn simultaneously. The star of the Red Eagle Order 1st class will not be worn anymore if somebody has newly been awarded the Crown Order 1st class. In this case a ribbon in the colors of the Red Eagle Order made of enamel will be put around the tips of the Crown Order star and around the cross arms of the insignia itself. The Red Eagle Order 1st class cross has to be worn around the neck. Same was ordered to be done in case the Red Eagle Order 1st class was awarded after somebody had received the Crown Order 1st class. It gets even more complicated with swords, swords on ring and the oak leaf of the Red Eagle Order.