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There is also a knight 1st class. Those exist in real gold and bronze gilt (late WWI), but I have only the reverse picture handy right now: And of course the merit crosses affiliated to the order.

Some of you have already seen images of the following bar, but here another prime example of a pure WWI White Falcon: The knight 2nd class with swords is a earlier real silver one, not one of those late white metal silvered pieces.

...and always important the reverse: Yes, it has the: "Th. M?ller " mark on the reverse. Punched into the middle of the reverse. Again, PUNCHED:

1st class indicates the set (star to the commander cross grade). Several saxon states choose to keep the grand cross and commander cross at the same size. Hence the grand-/commander cross would go both ways. Saxe-Weimar used to issue a special size, a lot larger then the regular cross, for members of the royal family. Quite rare. There are some examples that recently reached the market from the famous Seymour and Ludvigsen collection. We also know about crosses with larger crowns, yet are not sure if those are really special grand crosses or just commander crosses. Here another example of this fine order to close the WWI grand-/commander cross series with swords:

Come on guys, lets spice this post up with some nice pictures/welcome presents!

Wild Card's star is actually a older then the initially discussed piece. Early stars were rather fragile due to the white enamled cross arm applications not being attached to the star. Several broke off. We know about pictures of those poor saps wearing stars with only 2 or 3 cross arms remaining on the star.

Same as way above, isn't it?

Reuss was a good hint, I believe by know that it is the following: Commemorative Badge for other participants of the silver Wedding anniversary in 1909 Thanks for your help guys.

Does anybody know what this one is? Thanks in advance

Beautiful piece from way before 1918. I guess there will be quite some bidding going on for this piece.

I think so too. Hopefully they don't find the forums, then it gets really ugly.

Did anybody else get this email? I now about 2 people including myself: Von: St. Petersburg Antique Shop Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Januar 2007 09:04 An: XXXXXXXXXXX Betreff: New Year Catalogue Dear Sirs, We have received your address and information from the National Chamber of Commerce with the help of our export partner KANAT Financial Group. We are sorry if this information can not be interesting for you. We do require the professional advice, our client does have a interesting collection of military antiques. If you would allow us to send you this information, so we might have your advice and might offer you the pieces as well, if you would have an interest in them. Our client would like to sell them as one lot on 25-30% below market price. He would be interested to send the pieces for the inspection to a respectable dealer and receive a fair price for these pieces. All these pieces have and official and clear provenance history and can be officially exported our of the country. There are 3 catalogues of antique arms (pistols, swords, sabres) WW II military pieces (uniforms, arms and memorabilia) Military technic of USSR, European, USA origin. Medals, orders and decoration of 18th - 20th centuries. Please require the full catalogue of every part of the list of the offers. We look forward for your answer, Sincerely yours, Peter Anybody else?

One of the best pieces from the auction

All those "Silber" marked pieces were recently sold as part of a larger auction. Those pieces are basically collectors copies from the beginning of the 20th century. Some are better made then others but still not made before 1918. In regards to the piece in Question: I would not want to buy it.

The Trophy pieces are a lot smaller then anything awarded arround 1900. I used to own one with Trophy and one with Trophy and swords. Maybe I will find seom pictures later. But again. The earlier the smaller they are - as a rule of thumb. Here the reverse of an knight 1st class in gold from the beginning of WWI: Sorry for the bad picture quality. IT looks a lot better in real life: Red and yellow gold detailing

Hossauer only signed Hossauer. Never H & S. Humbert & Sohn signed only H & S. Never saw H.

Check out this early AO with Crown and Swords. Three piece center: and the Silver mark on the bottom of the lower cross arm:

...you guys might enjoy this one. 1st class with crown in case of issue:

Well, this here would be one example to figure out if a Wagner Red Eagle is a Wagner Red Eagle: When comparing the eagle above and the one on your piece it becomes pretty obvious that there is a big difference between those two. Since they used stenciles in the old days the eagles always look exactly the same within a certain time period. The eagle shown here is the original one. There are more images at: Eagle Design

I just try to say that the ones with the die flaw are definetly periode. Yet, the 1957 are very well made, too.

I would not want to buy this particular one as orignal Wagner piece.

I actually have a few medal bars withose die-flaws crosses on them. Keep in mind that those were made after the war by Steinhauer & Lueck. "After" meaning after the new orders and decorations law from 1957.

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Hi Darrell, I see that you may have already found the link to my web page. This particular piece is one of the very early ones made by the official designer and jewler J.G.Hossauer in Berlin. He is the one that made the initial tooling for this decoration. The order is still awarded today. Only selected scientists and artsist are members of this very exclusive order. Enjoy Andreas

Actually, this does exist. 937/1000 parts of silver equals exactly 15 Loth. Loth was the old unit to measure precious metal content. Read more here: Silver content marks