Bob

For comparison - here's a good one

For general education, let's post any (suspected) fakes in here for discussion. I'll start with the Soyombo which recently popped up and will in fact add some pics of another suspected fake Soyombo a bit later as well. This one I believe is fake because: - incorrect screwplate - incorrect "pattern" of enamel on suspension - poor quality / different color of enamel on main medaillion - overall poor crafstmanship

Actually there is one other good reference source... in fact, you're looking at it right now

Excuse my ignorance... but which bar here is the Tamara one?

What, one for different rooms in the house? Or you want one for during the week, one for weekends... and one for vacations?

Better be quick - only one that I know of is available on the open market at this moment

Keep on resisting - the more there is for me Five years from now people will scratch their heads and say: "why didn't I buy some of those beautiful Mongolian awards when they were still remotely affordable, never mind even AVAIlABlE

That's a LOT of enamel What's with the first one without a number?

Let's add some more "weight" to this discussion: - screwback nr 559 without the screw: a whopping 59.2gr + 14.5gr for the screw - pinback nr 1863: 59.4 - pinback nr 1966: 58.6

Herds are not just known to be seen with respect to the best herder badge but also with Sukhbaatar's! Here's mine. Beware, risk of enamel overdosis which can be harmful to your life savings!

Good, that is step 1. From now on you'll have to stop work or other activities 4 times a day, kneel to the direction of Ulaan Bataar and spend 15 minutes memorizing Dr B's bible. Otherwise one will never know the A.7's and C.32's by heart!

Friendly bit of advice: if you are going to spend money on Mongolian awards, I'd suggest you spend your first $ on buying Dr B's bible!

Just in - nice intermediate version.

Back to the Soyombo... could it be, like the SB, ORB, PS, etc. that there is just a more recent "cheaper" version of it being awarded?

Here's a Prawema first and second class. Note, for identification apart from the Prawema on the screw, the little "nick" at 6 o clock on reverse. From the manufacturing process I guess.

A sports badge and a XV army badge Note the number on reverse

http://www.andreas-thies.de/deutsch.html If I recall correctly this auction house had a documented one for sale. If not, then still a GREAT catalogue to review online. Be aware: you will get greedy from reviewing the catalogue!

I have an original of both types 1 and 2 of Gold Soyombo and this one just looks like a copy: - poor enamel on the award itself - incorrect screw - enamel on ribbon not corresponding with known examples - reverse also not in line (more crude) - etc. - etc. Look here for comparison http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4229

I have the strong suspicion that there are also fake Gold Soyombo's in circulation. Have been offered one directly for sale (different photographs which were clearly not of the same item) and there is now also one for sale on soviet-awards.com that has sparked my suspicion

When I get home this evening I'll post pics of 2 badges I recently acquired (as well as some other Albanian goodies). Off the top of my head I think the one you are mentioning is one of them.

Hi Eric - and it's very pleasurable to collect an area which doesn't have so many "competitors" / colleagues - a real adventure. My collection has progressed since this photo. In a few days when back home I'll post 2 new badges (one of them numbered) I received recently.

That appears to settle it then - although interesting to know in what way it is fake... and is also the award itself fake?

and the booklet

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Got this one offered for sale - not that often that such a document is seen of course.