J Temple-West

Hi Eric, An extremely interesting badge you have there. In my mind it is yet another example of creative management by the ?Assmann Company?. This new badge is instituted (22 June1942) and ?F.W Assmann? goes to work producing a new set of dies. The badge goes into full production and the orders are filled. Then, in 1944 an order is issued for an unqualified version (darkened wreath/silver eagle). Speculating, I can only think that, after two years, the original dies (or at very least, the wreath die) must have come to the end of its production life. Metals, by this time, being unavailable for the production of dies, ?Assmann? uses existing dies originally cut for the earlier aluminium type combined with the existing eagle obverse die to produce both qualified and the new unqualified version. Having seen both qualified and unqualified badges with the same characteristics (A + DRGM marked) this particular badge would have to fall into the same production time frame as the unqualified version, post April 1944 as all other examples of the pre-?44 type were only marked with the ?A? to the reverse of the eagle or were the ?36 pattern with the bolts removed. It is my assertion that it is due to the use of these earlier ?A+DRGM? marked dies certain early reference works state that aluminium was used late on in the war. Not so, as we now see that, in fact, these badges were made of zinc.

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I'm posting these douments for Joe. Over to you, J.C.

I agree, fake. This seems to be an up and coming way of selling fakes, either damaged, 'relics' or the latest... deNazified.

Eric, As far as can remember, and we're talking about the days when my Alzheimer's only affected my short term memory, and to confuse things even more, 'Seilheimer' used another mark in the form of a large 'PS' in a circle. I've only handled a couple of 'Seilheimer' blades, one being marked with the 'RZM' code M7/38 and the other, I think.... was the ?Dog?.

The blade in question.

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Hi Eric, To Confirm.. Seilheimer did indeed produce the full range of Luft blades. Here are some extracts from the company catalogue..

Hi john, welcome to the club. I look forward to seeing some more of your collection. Good bit of photography, btw.

Nice one, Eric. A very hard piece to find, and in nice condition. So, what's next on the 'want' list?

Rick, The one on the bar is unmarked...However, here is a 1st class Silesian eagle from the Meybauer Company.

excellent find...Always nice to have the set.

It's certainly a first for me. I have nothing like it in my files. The brass catch is a concern, just a little too mint perhaps? Calling, Marcus..

I see no immediate problems with his one. Reini, I do think, however, that there may be a slight problem with the 'auction' on the sales section... I'll check with the management and get back to you.

Hi de hi, Frank. Delighted to see that you found the 'Club' and hope that we will be seeing a lot more of you. The first stein is on me...

Cheers Brian...

Hi Brian, You?ve said it all.. Super rare, nice condition and made by a premier maker. What more could one ask for. When you get a minute, could you post a picture of that early ?Eickhorn? mark? I?m sure the ?blade? guys would appreciate it, as would I. If fact, I?m moving this thread to the edged weapons section as there?s a chance that those most interested will miss it.

Reverse.

Rich, that has to be one of the nicest examples I've ever seen. Yet another collaboration between Juncker and Deumer. Even though the parts may have been supplied by CEJ, there's no doubting that the finishing and assembly were done by Deumer. They really knew how to produce a high quality badge. If you'll allow me, just in order to make this fellow feel a little more at home, I'll post another example of the work (from the same time period) produced by W.Deumer.

Hi Jan, I've been on the hunt for one of these... Let's hope I can find one as nice as yours.

So, no bells ringing in the Imperial world. How about this bar being made in one of the Axis/occupied countries, using local stocks?

That collection of yours is certainly coming along in leaps and bounds, Don.

Yer right, Rick...

I bet the owner of this bar became a little upset when he could no longer wear it after the order (dated 29th March 1944) prohibited the further wearing of the Italian-German campaign medal.