Christian Zulus Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) Photograph of a RB #8Gentlemen,GMIC-member "lentiay" (Maxim) from Russia shows a photograph from a book of an RB #8 in presentation box at that thread:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=136258You can read under the photographed RB #8 in that book, that all RBs #8 are unnumbered - without s/n. -, due to the fact, that they had been never claimed.So there are unnumbered RBs #8 at stock somewhere ? As far, as I know, Soviet Orders had been numbered just after production ?Best regards Christian Edited January 7, 2007 by Christian Zulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Guys,A couple of nice pics that may shed a bit of light on the topic at hand: group of General Burcev (currently held at the Central Armed Forces Museum)Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 And the reverse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted February 9, 2008 Author Share Posted February 9, 2008 Dear Marc,many thanks for the scans .RB#7 seems to be authentic to me ... I can hardly dedect the s/n. of RB#7 - could you tell it to us.Best regards ChristianBTW: I still believe, that there had been RBs beyound #6 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) And the reverse...I have a question about suspension, as it looks odd to me.It seems it's combined ot two parts: 3-place aluminum and 4 place brass.Why do we have the following:- what was the need to put two of them together instead of using brand new 7-place suspension?- how are they held together - I don't see any joins?- you can see that aluminum suspension has brass one placed on top of it, but the needle is still there, essentially making it not functional. Why wasn't the needle removed? it serves no purpose and the construction would have been more solid without the needle.- why earlier awards (1 through 3) are placed on newer aluminum suspension, while more recent awards (4 through 7) are on older brass hanger?- how exactly was this suspension worn - with pin needle going only through half of the suspension?William Edited February 9, 2008 by new world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) Marc, did you mean Lieutenant-General of Aviation I.I. Borzov? In their book about the Order of the Red Banner Durov and Strekalov list the S/N's of the Red Banners 1 to 6 of Borzov:Nr. 10731# 2 nr. 494# 3 nr. 577# 4 nr. 74# 5 nr. 86# 6 nr. 15So, if your 'Burcev' is 'Borzov', the group above might not be real, as it has no RB # 4. Also, Durov doesn't list a # 7 in Borzov's list, as they did with Pstygo for example (# 7 S/N 2). Edited February 9, 2008 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Marc,Interesting set. Please, could you post the SN of each RB ?Many thanks in advance.Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I have a question about suspension, as it looks odd to me.It seems it's combined ot two parts: 3-place aluminum and 4 place brass.Why do we have the following:- what was the need to put two of them together instead of using brand new 7-place suspension?- how are they held together - I don't see any joins?- you can see that aluminum suspension has brass one placed on top of it, but the needle is still there, essentially making it not functional. Why wasn't the needle removed? it serves no purpose and the construction would have been more solid without the needle.- why earlier awards (1 through 3) are placed on newer aluminum suspension, while more recent awards (4 through 7) are on older brass hanger?- how exactly was this suspension worn - with pin needle going only through half of the suspension?WilliamWilliam,These are good points...Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I have a question about suspension, as it looks odd to me.It seems it's combined ot two parts: 3-place aluminum and 4 place brass.Why do we have the following:- what was the need to put two of them together instead of using brand new 7-place suspension?- how are they held together - I don't see any joins?- you can see that aluminum suspension has brass one placed on top of it, but the needle is still there, essentially making it not functional. Why wasn't the needle removed? it serves no purpose and the construction would have been more solid without the needle.- why earlier awards (1 through 3) are placed on newer aluminum suspension, while more recent awards (4 through 7) are on older brass hanger?- how exactly was this suspension worn - with pin needle going only through half of the suspension?WilliamWilliam,I, unfortunately, cannot answer your questions. This medal bar is held at the Central Museum in Moscow. It is not on display, but I was lucky enough to be shown a few things held in storage, this one among other things.On the matter of why join 2 suspensions instead of buying a longer one, it was not unusual for a veteran to fix his smaller suspensions together, probably a matter of savings (the USSR was a heaven for innovative re-use of almost everything). I have handled quite a few of these; they are either riveted, or soldered, or glued. I once even had one which was held by metallic thread!Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Marc, did you mean Lieutenant-General of Aviation I.I. Borzov? In their book about the Order of the Red Banner Durov and Strekalov list the S/N's of the Red Banners 1 to 6 of Borzov:Nr. 10731# 2 nr. 494# 3 nr. 577# 4 nr. 74# 5 nr. 86# 6 nr. 15So, if your 'Burcev' is 'Borzov', the group above might not be real, as it has no RB # 4. Also, Durov doesn't list a # 7 in Borzov's list, as they did with Pstygo for example (# 7 S/N 2).Auke,No, it is not Borzov, it is 'Бурцев'. I have to see if I wrote the numbers somewhere; unfortunately I did not have all the time I wanted to admire, to take pictures, and to write all the specifics down.Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 No, it is not Borzov, it is 'Бурцев'. I have to see if I wrote the numbers somewhere; unfortunately I did not have all the time I wanted to admire, to take pictures, and to write all the specifics down.Dear Marc,which Бурцев is this ? It's not the HSU http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=4990 , because he got only 2 RBs.So, a genuine RB#7 is at the museum .What about the RB#8 ?At least Eugene Rabkin is wrong with his statement, that RBs beyond RB#6 don't exist .... Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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