JimZ Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 We are all busy collecting soviet awards and sharing info on our beloved pieces. But for some of us like myself, time stood still in 1991. Although I like to keep a broad view when collecting I absolutely draw the line at 1991 with no collecting interest in awards after that date.However, I do find myself asking - What has happened to the Order of the Patriotic War, Order of Red Star, Order of Nevsky, Order of Red Banner (labour and military), Order of Honour, Order of Lenin..... for crying out loud! Are Ushakov, Naxhimov and Khmelnitsky still "heros" honoured by being protrayed on modern day Russian Federation awards. Or did our beloved orders these die a natural death and cease to exist? Have they been replaced in the same manner as the HSU was. And what about the HSL title and star? Also, what transitional pieces if any were issued after the fall of communism...Can anyone throw any light on this topic? Any owners of transitional pieces or New Russian Federation orders out there....Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Jim,very interesting topic!I have read somewhere, that in the 1990s the new Russian authorities & mint still confered genuine Soviet orders & medals to veterans, who had not yet received their awards.Is there any evidence about that?What about veterans, who lived outside of Russia, but within the former SU?Best regardsChristian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I probably dont have much to add here, but seeing as we have a Russian TV station on cable - I watch it a few times and last Christmas there was a big program, a military musical from what I gathered and the camera would sweep throught the crowd occasionaly and I saw the upper offciers with HSU, Order of Lennin, etc... on those beautiful bars. Here in the former People's Republic of Hungary - wearing anything related to the Soviet era is a crime. Even a guy with the Communist Workers Party was arrested for having the old Hungarian Coat of Arms on his web site. He had also been arrested on other occasions for weaing a lapel pin with a red star. - But - you can go to freedom square and see the monument erected to the 'Liberating' Russians after WW2 - complete with golden star and hammer and sycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchBoy Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 The high military orders have been continued by the Russian Federation, like the Nakhimov, Ushakov, Nevsky, Suvorov, and Kutuzov. As far as I know the Bogdan Khmelnitsky Order has not been continued by the Russians, presumably because of its Ukrainian connection (and the fact that Ukraine now has its own version of the Khmelnitsky Order).The order of Service to the Motherland has been taken up by Belarus, who made a few minor changes to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Gentlemen,up to my taste, the "new" military awards of the successors of the Soviet Union are no match to the original SU-Awards - they look rather "cheap" in terms of design .Is it still possible for the GPW-veteran to get his Glory 3cl or his OPW 2cl?What about duplicate awards? If a veteran looses an order, would he get another one with the cyrillic "d" from the Russian Mint?Best regardsChristian Zulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 What has struck me -- both in awards and in the whole wider range of State symbolism -- is what seems to be a very conscious desire to return to an imperial set of symbols, to conjure a fake pre-revolutionary tsarist era. Fair enough, all states "market" themselves through their symbols, but I was struck by the vague unease that many I met in Moscow voiced to me about Tsar Vladimir III "Putin"'s conscious efforts at imperial symbolic rescurrection and historical denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 They are still awarding Soviet decorations if they had not made it to their intended recipients during the period of the Cold War. The Russian government still has stocks of Soviet awards and these are being awarded even now to veterans and their next of kin. The majority of these awards are "catch up" awards from the Patriotic War that either never found their recipient or the recipient was killed before he could accept the award.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) Pavlov, a member of OMSA, provided the Official List:The full list of official state awards of modern Russia:1) Gold medal of the Hero of the Russian Federation (http://award.adm.gov.ru/geroi/geroi_1.htm)2) Order of the St.Andrew (http://award.adm.gov.ru/geroi/geroi_1.htm)3) Order of the St.George (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_13.htm) - never issued4) Order "For merits before Fatherland" in 4 classes (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_3.htm) - extremely rare in 1 and 2 classe, very rare in 3 class and rare in 4 class. issued with or whithout the swords. Badges with sword is more rare.5) Order of Zhukov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_14.htm) - only 80 has been issued6) Order of Courage (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_5.htm) - most common7) Order for military merits (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_6.htm) - common8) Order for sea merits (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_15.htm) - very rare9) Order of Honour (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_7.htm) - not rare, but not common10) Order of Friendship (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_4.htm) - not rare, but not common11) Order of Suvorov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_8.htm) - never issued12) Order of Ushakov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_9.htm) - never issued13) Order of Kutuzov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_10.htm) - never issued14) Order of Alexander Nevsky (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_11.htm) - never issued15) Order of Nakhimov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_12.htm) - never issued16) Medal of the order "For merits before Fatherland" in 2 classes (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_10.htm) - with or whithout the swords17) Medal for Valor (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_2.htm) - common18) Medal To the defender of Free Russia (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_9.htm) - very rare, many fakes19) Medal For rescue perished (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_3.htm) - common20) Medal of Suvorov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_8.htm) - common21) Medal of Ushakov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_7.htm) - rare22) Medal of Nesterov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_6.htm) - rare23) Medal for Distinguished Service in Guarding State Border (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_4.htm) - common24) Medal for Distinguished Service in Protecting the public Order (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_4.htm) - common25) Medal for 50th Anniversary of Victory over Germany (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_14.htm) - very common (for veterans of the WW2 only)26) Medal of Zhukov (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_12.htm) - 2 types. with number is common without number - very common (for veterans of the WW2 only)27) Medal for 60th Anniversary of Victory over Germany (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_19.htm) - very common (for veterans of the WW2 only)28) Medal for 300th Anniversary of Russian Navy (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_13.htm) - very common29) Medal for 850th Anniversary of Moscow (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_11.htm) - very common30) Medal of Pushkin (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_15.htm) - very rare31) Medal for 100th Anniversary of Transsib Railway (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_16.htm) - rare32) Medal For merits in carrying out of the All-Russia population census (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_17.htm) - common33) Medal for 300th Anniversary of St.Peterburg (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_18.htm) - common34) Medal For works on an agriculture (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_20.htm) - very rare35) Medal for 1000th Anniversary of Kazan (http://award.adm.gov.ru/medal/medal_21.htm) - common36) George cross (http://award.adm.gov.ru/znak/znak_2.htm) - never issued37) Badge for Irreproachable Service (http://award.adm.gov.ru/znak/znak_3.htm) - rare. red ribbon for civilians, george ribbon for militaryAll other is non-state awards.But many ministries (as, for example, the Ministry of Defence) have own awards. Awards from ministries are official awards. Many from ministerial award were handed over to military men for bravery in fight. For example, in the Chechen Republic.And many, many unofficial awards (Umalatova, cossacks, etc.) Doc Edited October 31, 2006 by Riley1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Thanks for the links. Very interesting actually. So anything remotely connected to the communist ideals/symbolism has in fact been withdrawn. The orders of Red Star, Patriotic war and Red banners as well as Lenin are of course no longer there. The Order of honour has also changed a fair bit as well as the Friendship of Peoples...amongst others! Nevsky sports a blank shield. Yet again I feels like something has been lost and this saddens me. And its not just the lack of symbolism but even the concept....the concepts of motherland, the banner (flag) and especially the value of labour seem to have gone completely.I guess its welcome to the good old self centred capitalist approach of each man to himself....gone to extremes in some cases in Russia!...As for Ed's comment I agree some of the awards I have seen are in fact very very Czarist in style....Czar Vladimir Putin ..... sounds like Mussolini and his fascination for the Roman Empire......Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I find it intresing that Putin has got rid of most Soviet Symbolism but as I remeber Putins first act in power was to bring back the Soviet National anthem Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) I find it intresing that Putin has got rid of most Soviet Symbolism but as I remeber Putins first act in power was to bring back the Soviet National anthem Order of VictoryNo, he dropped it for something (musically nasty) written by Pushkin, but had to restore the old one (but with new words). Edited October 31, 2006 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 No, he dropped it for something (musically nasty) written by Pushkin, but had to restore the old one (but with new words).Ha.... its difficuilt get used to a completely new anthem.......!!! By keeping the music and changing the lyrics at least the russians knew when their anthem was being played!!!I realise that I did not come across an Order of Glory or its equivalent........Did that remain purely a WW2 combat award? Apart from the star shape I'd see no reason to change that.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 3) Order of the St.George (http://award.adm.gov.ru/orden/orden_13.htm) - never issued36) George cross (http://award.adm.gov.ru/znak/znak_2.htm) - never issued37) Badge for Irreproachable Service (http://award.adm.gov.ru/znak/znak_3.htm) - rare. red ribbon for civilians, george ribbon for militaryThese look as though the Imperial awards have been reinstituted virtually without change.I wonder just how much Czarist symbolism will be readopted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Well I guess that answers my query! The cross of St George was replaced by the Order oF Glory which was yet again replaced by the Cross of St George!I can sort of kind of follow the logic behind that at least!! Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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