A bar from 1870?

[saschaw]

I just acquired this 2 place medal bar with an Iron Cross and a Prussian Kriegsdenkmünze, both for 1870. I have yet done my thoughts about this and came to a result, but I'd prefer to hear first what you think about it.

Avers:

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by saschaw

[saschaw]

And the reverse:

Thanks in advance.

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by saschaw

[Chris Boonzaier]

Can it be a WW1 EK2 and HK ribbon?

[Dave Danner]

That the bar was for a 1914 EK2 and an FKE, and someone switched the medals?

DRGM designation was created in 1891 and I don't think that type of machine-stamped bar was made in the 1800s. If it was a 20th century bar to an old veteran, it would have a Centenary, oakleaves for the EK and probably bars for the KDM.

Edited November 6, 2006 by Dave Danner

[saschaw]

A million thanks for these extreme fast answers

It's exactly what I came to: the bar is typical 1930s construction, and seems impossible with this combination There are wholes in the EK ribbon, maybe there was also once mounted a 1897 oak leaves, or there used to be a 1939 bar to the 1914 EK II? I think I'll remove the two decorations as they neither belong there nor match.

Are there yet any opinions to the EK II or are better pictures necessary? To me, it looks like a 1871 Wagner piece, but the ring is not the genuine one ...

[Stogieman]

I'd concur and a popular eBay ruse. WW2 era mount "enhanced" with 1870 pieces.

[saschaw]

Here now some own, and I hope, better pictures of the EK II - your opinions are welcome

 

(or, to say better, needed )

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by saschaw

[CRBeery]

I agree that this is a thirties mount. Looks like it once had the 25 year oaks on it also. Keep the medals and put the correct ones on the bar and sell if off.