Bob Hunter Posted June 29, 2005 Posted June 29, 2005 This little group has recently entered my collection. It is basically a one medal display but what a medal! Here is the group and some close ups.
Gerd Becker Posted June 29, 2005 Posted June 29, 2005 ...and the mini just for Gerd!←Thanks, Bob. Very nice mini When i collected minis, i tried to find a Bavarian Bravery mini, but they were very hard (and expensive) to come by.Thanks for the closeups
Stogieman Posted June 29, 2005 Posted June 29, 2005 By far, the second nicest Bavarian Silver Bravery medal group I've ever handled. And, only the third of this medal I've had at all. This poor fellow probably received one horrible wound and was invalidated out. hence in 1934, he had only 2 awards! (plus a wound badge)
Bob Hunter Posted June 29, 2005 Author Posted June 29, 2005 Rick, I note that the safety pin is not maker marked. Do you think it could be a fake?
Deruelle Posted June 30, 2005 Posted June 30, 2005 Nice group Bob Just for my information, the soldier or the NCO who received this group, why there is no EK2 ? Because like he received this medal, I am esthonished that the officer who purposed him only for this medal . Christophe
Bob Hunter Posted June 30, 2005 Author Posted June 30, 2005 As Stogieman has noted it is suspected this fellow wasn't on active duty very long. Perhaps the act of insane bravery that earned this medal also produced wounds serious enough for him to be discharged.
landsknechte Posted June 30, 2005 Posted June 30, 2005 As Stogieman has noted it is suspected this fellow wasn't on active duty very long. Perhaps the act of insane bravery that earned this medal also produced wounds serious enough for him to be discharged.←Perhaps lending a bit of creedence to the presence of the wound badge in that group...--Chris
Ralph A Posted June 30, 2005 Posted June 30, 2005 But didn't seriously wounded get bumped to gold wound badges? Why NOT an EK?
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2005 Posted June 30, 2005 Those invalided out before the 1918 creation of the wound badge didn't get one, in many cases, until the 1930s-- when awards resumed under the 1936 regulations change that made severity and not number of wounds what counted:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1292The Bavarian Bravery medals, like the Saxon St Henry medals, could be awarded for an initial act of bravery and did not require any "precondition" awards.That may have been technically true of the St Henry ORDER, though I am not aware of any officer receiving one before an EK2. Likewise, the Bavarian Military Max Joseph ORDER theoretically did not require any other award-- but in that case, processing took so long that despite nominal dates of "bestowal" the paperwork actually came through in an amazing number of cases AFTER THE WAR. I have NEVER been able to understand how a private body (the association of MMJO knights, who vetted each new nominee) was legally ABLE to bestow a title of NOBILITY under the REPUBLIC!!!
Bob Hunter Posted July 1, 2005 Author Posted July 1, 2005 ...and why those titles were allowed to continue to exist under the Third Reich?
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 2, 2005 Posted July 2, 2005 What would the market price be for one of these? I must admit, I have never had one.
Gerd Becker Posted July 2, 2005 Posted July 2, 2005 What would the market price be for one of these? I must admit, I have never had one.←I guess, they go for at least 600-700 -Euro nowadays. Nimmergut lists them with 875 Euro.Gerd
Stogieman Posted July 2, 2005 Posted July 2, 2005 I think if you can find one of these for under 1000- Euro, with the correct ribbon, you'd be doing very well indeed.... My experience with these is that they always bring significantly more than the "list" price. The big group to an SBM winner I had went for over 4K and lasted all of about 60 seconds from when I eMailed my "usual suspects" about it being available. As mounted groups, they always seem to go very high in Germany. There was a single parade-mounted SBM a couple of years back on one of the bigger German auction houses. Nothing but the medal on a single bar! It went for 1500- Euro As is so often the case with these rarer pieces, it will be difficult to quantify them!
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Just to add what I have found out since this was first posted... One of "My Guys" was awarded the Silver Bravery in mid 1916..... and only got an EK2 in 1918! Very possible indeed... but probably unusual... http://www.kaiserscross.com/40047/46301.html
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