EK 1939 Biggest EK mystery ?

[Chris Boonzaier]

I have posted this a few years ago, but somehow the question always pops up.....

"Who made the Round 3 cross....."

[Chris Boonzaier]

This cross was to a legionCondor pilot, killed in the war.....

Anyone want to know who made it and how I know ??

[stevo4361]

I do!

Steve

[hunyadi]

let this cat out of the bag?!

[Chris Boonzaier]

OK... here you go....

[Marcus H]

Boerger & Co, Berlin.

[Dave B]

Interesting,don't think I've ever seen a 22 stamp.

[Marcus H]

I think you find it on the non round EK two's mate.

Chris is this from the collection with the VC group in it too ?

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think you find it on the non round EK two's mate.

Chris is this from the collection with the VC group in it too ?

Indeed it is. The man does not collect german, but wanted one German Battle of Britain group. In the end a Spanish Cross in Gold group with front clasps and EK1 and 2 fell into his lap.

He did not even notice the round 3 cross.

[Dave B]

I think you find it on the non round EK two's mate.

Chris is this from the collection with the VC group in it too ?

Ok never seen a 22 on an EKI then

Lovely cross!!

[Dave B]

Indeed it is. The man does not collect german, but wanted one German Battle of Britain group. In the end a Spanish Cross in Gold group with front clasps and EK1 and 2 fell into his lap.

He did not even notice the round 3 cross.

Have you got photos of the rest of the group Chris?...if so please post mate!

[Marcus H]

Arh I'm with you now my Welsh friend

Yeah any details on the guy, what he flew etc sounds like a interesting group to say the least !

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

I was awash in a VC, many DSOs, Piles of MCs and a whole lot more. A quick photo of the EK was just an afterthought, did not get any other shots of the german stuff.

Best

Chris

[Streptile]

Now for sale:

http://www.emedals.com/collectors-gallery/germany/third-reich-army-awards/groups-to-individual-recipients/a-comprehensive-group-to-oberfeldwebel-schmid-g8704?vmcchk=1

[Chris Boonzaier]

Wow.... thats a blast from the past.

i was priveledged to see the group when it was in the 1st collectors hands to own it.

As I said, this was peanuts in a collection that puts museums to shame... it came from the family to the collector, all he wanted was a battle of britain group. he simply shrugged when I mentioned the cross was a round three... you could almost hear him ask "... arnt they all?"

I know collectors have argues that such anealry cross simply should not have the stamp... ihave no explanation... the group is what it is...

[Valgor]

Every badge or cross with that pin is called "Deshler" made.

Guess that's not true then?

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

for me this was the most untainted by collectors hands big group I have seen. The 1st collector to own it did not collect german, and had no idea what a round 3 cross was.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this cross is koscher, as is.

Some collectors doubt the stamp on this piece is a maker stamp, that is their right, I am a big preacher for collectors to be a "healthy sceptics". I have passed up good and bad in the past in an effort to be careful. So I can understand that.

Having said that, for me there is not a 0.001% doubt in my mind, that this is what it is, stamp and all.

best

Chris

[Valgor]

Chris, i'm not sure how you read my post.

I meant no irony. Looks like you thought i did.

i personally do not doubt, cross or stamp. I would ad it to the collection in a hartbeat.

Seriously, the typical 30-ies EkI 's, 1914, with these deschler pins, can they al be 22's?

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi Valgor,

I was not refering to you post :-) simply collecting my thoughts on the piece.

best

Chris

[Streptile]

These are not "Deschler pins." They were used by many makers on many different awards, some even marked. Assigning a maker based on the pin is not possible unless other factors confirm it. The crosses (I think) you refer to were made by Wilhelm Deumer.