JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) By the way, sometimes same "sickle feature" (although not that pronounced) can be found on "grind off ring" variation Edited September 30, 2013 by JapanX
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Another example of "wrong ring" (sickle with "usual handle")
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Now about this medal has typical characteristics of a T2 Here we have two T2 from LDM in mint condition First
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Let`s compare them with Sergio piece First
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 "Typical characteristics of T2"?! Yougottobekiddingme!
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 And again I fail to find "typical characteristics of T2" on reverse of Sergio piece!
rocketscientist Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Nick, you flooded me with al this polars! The first one is very interesting (post 122 onwards): a lot of commonalities with mine, including the puzzling curling of the K upper arm. Also the "D" looks the same. I have to understand that these features are mainly in "pimple sickle" (T1.2) variations of this medal. Unfortunately (?) it still has most of the gilding on both sides, therefore it's hard to scan since there are too many reflections. But I think I could see the differences from the samples you posted. When I was told that my medal had some detail of a T2, I thought to the type you posted in #126, with the flat ring struck with the medal. I was not considering the Voenkomat. What type/subtype would be a "grind off ring" medal? Thank you Sergio P.S. For everybody's education (and amusement), next time I will post a couple of "true fake" Polars from my personal collection...
JapanX Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Personally when I hear T2 - I am thinking "voenkomat" "Grind off ring" is variation of T1 (as you wrote - type 1.2). Regards, Nick
rocketscientist Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 My understanding is that T1 is soldered ring, T1.1 without pimple and T1.2 with pimple on the sickle's handle. I think we are just not using the same convention Nick, I assume there are more than one.
rocketscientist Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Since we are talking of fake Polars since a while, here is a couple of "true fake" for discussion. They are, in my opinion, two examples of the same batch, with different treatments to simulate aging. The first one has a strong patina, the second one has none. No story, they are just fakes: there are a lot of wrong details both on the obverse and reverse. But, again, just look at the serifs on the "K"! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-5691-0-20586900-1380666024.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-5691-0-74719200-1380666041.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-5691-0-29187600-1380666252.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-5691-0-59223700-1380666278.jpg
JapanX Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 They are, in my opinion, two examples of the same batch, with different treatments to simulate aging. The first one has a strong patina, the second one has none. No story, they are just fakes: there are a lot of wrong details both on the obverse and reverse. But, again, just look at the serifs on the "K"! First looks like a cast to me. Second was made by stamp.
JapanX Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I think we are just not using the same convention Nick, I assume there are more than one. Well, it doesn't really matter how we label these If type2 is "grind off ring" (and not "voenkomat") then your piece still has different reverse than type2. I'll post a couple of comparisons tomorrow ;)
rocketscientist Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Thank you, Nick. I think that the example closest to my medal is the one with "pimpled" handle. Very interesting series of Polars, I was impressed. cheers sergio P.S. I am going to post more fakes from my "specialized" collection. No more Polars, unfortunately...
rocketscientist Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Please have a look to this fake Partisan 2nd class! Enjoy!
JapanX Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Famous "watermelon" of unusual color ... Edited October 4, 2013 by JapanX
rocketscientist Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) A superb Budapest Medal with a lot of details (left) compared side by side with an ordinary one. Edited October 5, 2013 by rocketscientist
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