Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I have seen this badge in the window of a dealer and out of curiosity I would be interested in finding out more information about it. What class is it? Is it authentic? Approximately how much is it worth? Thanks.Obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Badge (obverse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jacky Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hi Carol,Although it's not exactly my collectorsfield,I know little about this orders authenticity, Many of us have written about this order.What can I say?Well due to the golden color, it seems a knight first class.Painting and the construction seems quite well to me.I would think it's original.But you can compare yours with the others at this threadValuewise.. I know nothing about it.Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello Carol I:This is a Baden Order of the Zahringen Lion, Knight II with swords badge. It is original and probably from the 1914-1918 era. The value of the piece would probably be in the area of US$600 to US$750, but prices seem to be going up faster than I can keep track of them!Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello Carol I:This is a Baden Order of the Zahringen Lion, Knight II with swords badge. It is original and probably from the 1914-1918 era. The value of the piece would probably be in the area of US$600 to US$750, but prices seem to be going up faster than I can keep track of them!Best regards,"SPM"It is a Knight 1st Class, not 2nd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello again:OK, maybe I am a bit colorblind. For ME, it is a bit difficult to tell based upon the photographs. I am still leaning toward the body of the piece possibly being silver. The lighting here is definately a factor and may add a "yellow" hue to the piece. Some of the photos seem to make the body look gold, and some silver.Oh well, I have been wrong before (as my wife reminds me often).Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militaria0815 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 It is a Knight 1st Class, not 2nd Class.Right, doubtless 100% 1st class.Worth about US$ 600 - 700, a 2nd class about US$ 250 - 300. 1st class was awarded about 525 times in WW1, 2nd class 6367 awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 A real beauty, most likely 1900 era, in gold 1st class. The swords I'm not sure of. A very nice find Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 Thank you all for the replies. As far as I remember the badge was yellow (gold or at least golden, not oxidized silver), so if I understood right it is that for a knight first class. And the price was somewhere around 1200 USD, way above what you seem to consider an honest price.Thanks once again for this introductory lesson in old German orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello again:OK, me culpa. It was yellow, so we have a knight I with swords!I think that $1,000 to $1,200 would not be at all unreasonable for a gold knight I with swords. They are certainly not available often on the market!Good luck Carol I!Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militaria0815 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 A real beauty, most likely 1900 era, in gold 1st class. The swords I'm not sure of. A very nice find Good Luck.If it is real gold price is OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 If it is real gold price is OK.Hello Carol lIf it is real gold & the swords turn out to be gold as well, then the price is OK. The swords appear to be gold as well but not certain. Examine the swords carefully and that will give you a definite answer. All the bestYankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 Thanks for the updates. Can you please give also a short description of the appearance of the badges of all classes? Knight second class was in silver and worn on a chest-ribbon. Knight first class was in gold and worn on a chest-ribbon. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Commander was worn on a neckribbonAnd the grand officer had a breast star, and wore the badge on a sash.That's all folks.Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Thanks for the updates. Can you please give also a short description of the appearance of the badges of all classes? Knight second class was in silver and worn on a chest-ribbon. Knight first class was in gold and worn on a chest-ribbon. ...Knight 2nd Class was silver, but the swords were golden. Since many Knight's 2nd Class with swords have a patina from age, the silver detail sometimes looks like it might have been silver-gilt that has "washed" away. So many 2nd Classes, especially in bad light, look like they might be 1st Classes. But the gold detail on 1st Classes is pretty striking.We had a thread here recently on a medal bar where it seemed like a ZLO 1st Class, but was a 2nd Class. There are other examples posted in that thread which make the contrast clearer.I have a 2nd Class, which due to lighting and age, sometimes looks like it was gilt when viewed by itself. But when you put it next to a 1st class, the difference is pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Commander was worn on a neckribbonAnd the grand officer had a breast star, and wore the badge on a sash.That's all folks.Kind regards,JackyCommander 1st Class also had a breast star. Commander's Cross, Knight 1st Class and Knight 2nd Class could also be awarded with oakleaves.And I know of at least one Grand Cross recipient who wore his sash badge like a neck badge: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militaria0815 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Medal bar from Oberstleutnant Ernst von R?cker, the only Bavarian officer who got the Z?hringer Lion Knights cross 1st class with oakleaves and swords, 1 of 139 officers in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Very nice medal bar. RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 If it is real gold price is OK.Absolutely agree with you, a silver gilt one value is far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Absolutely agree with you, a silver gilt one value is far less.This one is real Gold indeed, and US$ 1,200.- is a normal price I'd actually liked almost to pay, if I had the money. Medal bar from Oberstleutnant Ernst von R?cker, the only Bavarian officer who got the Z?hringer Lion Knights cross 1st class with oakleaves and swords, 1 of 139 officers in total.The first one mounted I've ever seen - great bar, thanks for showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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