Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I have seen this badge in the window of a dealer and out of curiosity I would be interested in finding out more information about it. What class is it? Is it authentic? Approximately how much is it worth? Thanks.Obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Detail (obverse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Marking on the bottom arm of the cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 Detail (case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Well, since noone else is replying, it looks like a third class in gold by Wagner, large crown type, very nice case. I would say about 700.00, but I'm no expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 that gold part could be a bit strong....You will have to look for gold / silver marks on the edges.....Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello Carol I:This badge is original and is gold. The center of the piece is of lesser-quality gold or silver-gilt however as it has a slight patinae. Many of these were made this way. The piece is marked with a "W", so it was made by Wagner, Berlin. I have not seen gold badges marked regarding their gold content, however gilded pieces (post~1916) are sometimes marked with the silver content (usually 938). The case is correct as is the ribbon.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that the hinge of the case was broken, so its condition was far from perfect. Maybe this is why the price for this was not as outrageous as for the Order of the Zahringer Lion I also posted.On the other hand, I was surprised by the folding of the ribbon. I was expecting the full ribbon to go through the suspension ring, not only a narrower bit sewn to the broader ribbon. Was it normal to have the order worn in this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hello Carol I:This award is on an interesting improvised single mount (I have not seen another exactly like this before). This is a nice added feature!Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 This award is on an interesting improvised single mount (I have not seen another exactly like this before). This is a nice added feature!Thanks for the update. Nice to know about this detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 this way is the so called prussian mount style, which is also favoured by the dutch military to wear their medals.All medals would be sewn on a plate with between the plate and the medal itself a piece of ribbon folded around the backplate in a U shape.Personally, I prefer the English Court-mounted style, is beautifuller in my opinion.Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 Is the information on Wikipedia regarding the different classes of this order accurate? What is the difference between the 3rd class and the 4th class badges since both of them are said to have been worn on a ribbon on the left side of the chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 If the information on wikipedia is correct; I would like to quote it:"The badge of the Order for the 1st to 4th classes was a gilt cross, similar in shape to the Iron Cross but with white enamel (except for the 4th Class, which was plain)."So the third class would have enamel, but the fourth class would be a plain silver cross.Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi Have a look about the Prussian Crown Order 4th class with swords.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 THe reverse. Note the beauty of the enameled. The blue color is perfect. It is what we call in France the "bleu royal" or royal blue for translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 "The badge of the Order for the 1st to 4th classes was a gilt cross, similar in shape to the Iron Cross but with white enamel (except for the 4th Class, which was plain)."So the third class would have enamel, but the fourth class would be a plain silver cross.Thanks Jacky for the quote. I must have missed that on Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 Have a look about the Prussian Crown Order 4th class with swords.Thanks Christophe for the images of the 4th class cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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