Bryan Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I'd like to know which crosses are wearing the 3 Marshals at the right from Zhukov and Montgomery. Is that a Polish cross or something like that? Sorry for my ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Too small and blurry to tell, but since marching along with Monty, probably "fraternal" CBEs handed out on the spot.Zhukov's got a Grand Cross sash slung over his shoulder too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 The shape of the cross on the middle Soviet Marshal looks like the shape of the CBE. It would be interesting to know which Grand cross Zhukov was wearing. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Our comrades just received their UK-AwardsI'd like to know which crosses are wearing the 3 Marshals at the right from Zhukov and Montgomery. Is that a Polish cross or something like that? Sorry for my ignorance. From Wikipedia:FIELD MARSHAL MONTGOMERY DECORATES RUSSIAN GENERALS AT THE BRANDENBURG GATE IN BERLIN, GERMANY, 12 JULY 1945. The Deputy Supreme Commander in Chief of the Red Army, Marshal G Zhukov, the Commander of the 21st Army Group, Field Marshal Sir Bernard Montgomery, Marshal Sokolovsky and General K Rokossovsky of the Red Army leave the Brandenburg Gate after the ceremony. Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Wow look at all them medals Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slava1stclass Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 To all:On 12 July 1945, Field Marshal Montgomery, acting on behalf of the King of England, presented honorary British knighthoods to the following Red Army officers:Marshal of the Soviet Union Zhukov; Commander, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (G.C.B.)Marshal of the Soviet Union Rokossovskiy; Commander, 2nd Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (K.C.B.)General of the Army Sokolovskiy; Deputy Commander, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (K.B.E.)Colonel General Malinin; Chief of Staff, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (K.B.E.)The ceremony took place in the heart of shattered Berlin directly underneath the Brandenburg Gate. The Kings Company of the Grenadier Guards formed the Guard of Honor with tanks of the Kings 8th Royal Irish Hussars drawn up on either side.Regards,slava1stclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Dear Mr. "slava1stclass",many thanks for the precise informations .At least the order, Marshall Zhukov received, is an extraordinary high British Decoration.As citizens of the UK or the Commenwealth, the 4 generals would have been entitled to wear the title "Sir" in front of their names. So they only had the right to put the K.B.E., etc. after their name, as the Austrian pianist Alfred Brendl .You can see that at the Wiki-entry of Zhukov: Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov, GCB - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_ZhukovBest regards ChristianTo all:On 12 July 1945, Field Marshal Montgomery, acting on behalf of the King of England, presented honorary British knighthoods to the following Red Army officers:Marshal of the Soviet Union Zhukov; Commander, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (G.C.B.)Marshal of the Soviet Union Rokossovskiy; Commander, 2nd Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (K.C.B.)General of the Army Sokolovskiy; Deputy Commander, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (K.B.E.)Colonel General Malinin; Chief of Staff, 1st Belorussian Front - Knight Commander of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (K.B.E.)The ceremony took place in the heart of shattered Berlin directly underneath the Brandenburg Gate. The Kings Company of the Grenadier Guards formed the Guard of Honor with tanks of the Kings 8th Royal Irish Hussars drawn up on either side.Regards,slava1stclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Wow look at all them medals Order of VictoryDear Vic,here is the famous painting, showing comrade Zhukov with his "Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (G.C.B.)" on the sash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 Ok so it seems this is not in May 1945, but in July 1945 and it seems these are not al Marshals. Thanks for the clarification.Too small and blurry to tell, but since marching along with Monty, probably "fraternal" CBEs handed out on the spot.I'm sorry, but I have no idea what a CBE? Any clarification would be appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I'm sorry, but I have no idea what a CBE? Any clarification would be appreciate.Dear Bryan,you are citizen of Canada and belong to the Commenwealth - these are your awards .CBE, etc.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire .Best regards ChristianBTW: If you would donate a hughe collection of Orders and Medals to a public museum in Canada you might receive a MBE: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 No, British ("Imperial") honours are no longer given in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 No, British ("Imperial") honours are no longer given in Canada.Dear Ed,you are sure ?But "Bath" (+ aristocratic title), etc. are still possible for Canadian, Austrialian, etc. citizens ?Best regards ChristianBTW: So, Bryan can never promote to a MBE . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Quite sure. Only the UK and some places like Bermuda still send up recommendations for "Imperial Honours". Canada, Australia, etc. haven't done so for some time now and have their own systems. Likewise, they have dropped the whole "knighthood" business, leaving only the UK holding onto those customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Quite sure. Only the UK and some places like Bermuda still send up recommendations for "Imperial Honours". Canada, Australia, etc. haven't done so for some time now and have their own systems. Likewise, they have dropped the whole "knighthood" business, leaving only the UK holding onto those customs.Dear Ed,many thanks for the information .Bermuda and Belize (Lord Ashcroft , the guy with the incredible VC-collection)But the fact is, that there are still a lot of "Sirs" and "Dames" in Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. Best regardsChristian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Baron Ashcroft vs. Marshal ZhukovGentlemen,Lord Ashcroft holds "only" a "Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George", which is at least two steps below the "Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (G.C.B.)", Marshal Zhukov received .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_AshcroftBest regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 But Lord Ashcan holds a title of nobility -- "Baron Ashcroft of Chichester" [not ". . . of Belize" as he wanted]-- for his "political services" to the conservatives. Of course he does not use "Sir" because he is a lord.But Zhukov had two Orders of Victory, but no Victoria Crosses, in his collection. Lord Ashcan has all the VCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 (edited) Dear Ed,you are sure ?But "Bath" (+ aristocratic title), etc. are still possible for Canadian, Austrialian, etc. citizens ?Best regards ChristianBTW: So, Bryan can never promote to a MBE .In Canada the answer is "No". There was quite a bruhaha in Canada a few years ago with Conrad Black,http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/black_conrad/A quote form the linked article:"......In 1999, the British government moved to make him Lord Black. This elicited strong opposition from Prime Minister Jean Chr?tien who pointed to the Nickle Resolution of 1919, which ruled that foreign governments could not grant honours to Canadians that carry a title or privilege. Black challenged the ruling unsuccessfully in court. Crossharbour station in London Determined to get his title, Black renounced his Canadian citizenship and was officially inducted into the British House of Lords as Lord Black of Crossharbour on October 31, 2001. Crossharbour is the name of a neighbourhood as well as a subway stop on the Docklands light railway, near the Daily Telegraph building...." Edited January 29, 2007 by Laurence Strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 In Canada the answer is "No". There was quite a bruhaha in Canada a few years ago with Conrad Black,http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/black_conrad/A quote form the linked article:"......In 1999, the British government moved to make him Lord Black. This elicited strong opposition from Prime Minister Jean Chr?tien who pointed to the Nickle Resolution of 1919, which ruled that foreign governments could not grant honours to Canadians that carry a title or privilege. Black challenged the ruling unsuccessfully in court. Crossharbour station in London Determined to get his title, Black renounced his Canadian citizenship and was officially inducted into the British House of Lords as Lord Black of Crossharbour on October 31, 2001. Crossharbour is the name of a neighbourhood as well as a subway stop on the Docklands light railway, near the Daily Telegraph building...." Dear Laurence,but Canada is still a royal monarchy with Q II as head of state ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 But Zhukov had two Orders of Victory, but no Victoria Crosses, in his collection. Lord Ashcan has all the VCs.Dear Ed,Michael Ashcan bought his VCs and Zhukov earned his two Orders of Victory .Best regards ChristianBTW: A G.C.B. is something: Baron Georgy Zhukov of Berlin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 Dear Bryan,you are citizen of Canada and belong to the Commenwealth - these are your awards .Christian, I'm rather secessionist and would prefer to be out of the Commenwealth. So I know nothing about British Empire medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Gentlemen,While we?re on the subject of the OBE, I thought that you all might appreciate this award to Major General Vasili Vasilyevich Rassokhin, commander of the 12th Naval Infantry Brigade.Regards,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Major General Vasili Vasilyevich Rassokhin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Major General Vasili Vasilyevich RassokhinDear "Wild Card",for what did our comrade get his O.B.E. (+ his Lenin & 4 RBs) ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 This is actually a CBE. The MBE silver breast badge, and the OBE gilt breast badge. The CBE as shown above is an enameled gilt neck badge. The KBE adds a breast star to the neck badge while the GBE is a sash, badge, and breast star. Soviets were always "inventive" in their wear of foreign awards, especially those intended to be worn at the neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I may have put this up somewere before, but for the post-1935 military division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire see:http://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/un...-kingdom025.htmand for the military division of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath see:http://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/un...-kingdom006.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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