need help on ID of medal

[Roeland]

I hope you guys can help me with identifying this medal:

I never saw it before, but looking at it's ribbon it looks like a medal from saxony.

Can anybody tell me what it is? and is it complete, because it looks like there has to be somethin on the core, value?

thanks in advance

[Stogieman]

Carnival piece, not military or civil..

[Roeland]

and can anybody tell something about this one?

[Roeland]

Carnival piece, not military or civil..

thank you for the info!

that is probably why I couldn't find it in any book....

what a seller: antique military medal

I hate people trying to rip others off.

by the way, the second item I asked about, my guess is something about the Stahlhelm bund, but what it exactly is, no idea

Edited February 5, 2007 by Roeland

[Kev in Deva]

what a seller: antique military medal I hate people trying to rip others off,

Hallo Roeland, this one has stumped the experts as well, it has many simeralities with your in shape and design but is a breast badge.

I thought it could possibly connected to a shooting club or veterans club as an unofficial award

but maybe "stogieman" is on the right track? Can you post pictures of te rear of these items???

Kevin.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Kev in Deva

[Dave Danner]

by the way, the second item I asked about, my guess is something about the Stahlhelm bund, but what it exactly is, no idea

The Deutschen Kriegerbund was founded in 1873. In 1897 it became the Preu?ischen Landeskriegerverband. It later joined in 1900 with the veterans' organizations of Bavaria, Saxony, W?rttemberg, Baden and Hesse to form the Kyffh?userbund, which stll exists today. The Stahlhelm Bund was founded after World War I.

The K.B. and the date 1873 point to a Kriegerbund connection. The initials at the top (St.A.?) might be a specific chapter.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Dave Danner

[speedytop]

Hi Roeland,

the first cross is a typical award for a member in a shooting club. Civil, not military

Please look here:

http://www.steinlueck.de/schuetzen/unterru...F6nigsabzeichen

or here:

http://www.steinlueck.de/schuetzen/unterru...0und%20Auflagen

Regards

Uwe

[Roeland]

Thank you very much for all the information!

[EuRob]

I came across this just now.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Orden-Medaille-Abzeiche...1QQcmdZViewItem

Rob

[Kev in Deva]

I came across this just now.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Orden-Medaille-Abzeiche...1QQcmdZViewItem

Rob

Hallo Rob,

Thanks for the heads up, now if thats the same one he was asking the forum about WHY did he not post pictures of the rear?? the inscription translates as, or near to: For Other Services, Sch.-Ges. Anderten v, 1909. and has a possible connection with a shooting club.

Any more thoughts stogieman??

Looking at the SP on a lot of his medals Princes / Symbol 19.99 must be one of his favourite songs

Kevin in Deva.

[Roeland]

how blind am I? I didn't even see the other pictures near the text, only the one below!

doesn't it say 1901?

maybe it has something to do with China, and if it ahs a connection with a shooting club, many members of one could be drafted for duty.

[HeikoGrusdat]

it means: Sch?tzen-Gesellschaft Andertan von 1901

in english something like: shooters-club of the city of Andertan founded in 1901

This has definetely nothing to do with military service and nothing to do with the china expedition....

[Roeland]

ok thank you for the info,

is it, in your opinion, high priced?

(not planning to buy it annyway, just curious).

[HeikoGrusdat]

there are millions of different badges like this one around.... germany had in the early years of the 20th century thousands of shooter clubs, military clubs, veteran clubs and so on... it was a military society - they all had something like awards and orders for their members like the ones shown here.

In my eyes they are worth nearly nothing - BUT as always - if you are a collector of these things they are worth a lot for you!!! (but I don`t know a lot of people who collect these things.... )

[saschaw]

Yes, I'm with Heiko's opinion, but it always depends on WHAT they do look like.

Recently acquired:

A nicely sewn Prussian 2 place medal bar with a medal to the jubilee of the liberation of Spandau (1813-1913), very massive in real silver, and a cross for 25 years in shooting club Spandau, as well Silber, but looking very close to a Crown Order 4th class ...

[saschaw]

And it's reverse:

[Kev in Deva]

Yes, I'm with Heiko's opinion, but it always depends on WHAT they do look like. Recently acquired:

A nicely sewn Prussian 2 place medal bar with a medal to the jubilee of the liberation of Spandau (1813-1913), very massive in real silver, and a cross for 25 years in shooting club Spandau, as well Silber, but looking very close to a Crown Order 4th class ...

Hallo saschaw, nice find, now, that has a bit of "CLASS" about it Kevin in Deva.

[speedytop]

The piece shown here from the shooting club is very high priced.

First, it is not complete, there is something missing in the middle (see my example in the middle)

Second, it is damaged, see left on the arm.

The pieces in my picture can be allocated to the period 1954-1961.

Regards

Uwe