webr55 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) I have had these for many years. I suppose these are postwar items, but what branch and what time exactly? Thanks Chris Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) The back. If this is the wrong forum, please move it to the correct one. Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Wish I knew. I've been looking for a set of HaPag Kommodore straps from the Weimar era... and have no clue what they'd have looked like.Is there any clue on the back of the buttons that would give some hint about a date pre-or post-1945? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 6, 2007 Author Share Posted May 6, 2007 Wish I knew. I've been looking for a set of HaPag Kommodore straps from the Weimar era... and have no clue what they'd have looked like.Is there any clue on the back of the buttons that would give some hint about a date pre-or post-1945? No, nothing. They certainly look post-1945. But I have no idea whether these are Bundesmarine or merchant navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fregatte Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 No, nothing. They certainly look post-1945. But I have no idea whether these are Bundesmarine or merchant navy.I can assure you they are definetely not Bundesmarine. They must be Handelsmarine, (Merchant navy) from the engineering branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I can assure you they are definetely not Bundesmarine. They must be Handelsmarine, (Merchant navy) from the engineering branch.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 They are shurly not Hapag. The Hamburg-Amerika-Linie had uniform-regulations which were very close to those of the former imperial navy until 1945.So the golden stripes on the shoulder-boards and also on the sleeves have had for all non-nautical officers a coloured underlay. Engineers from black velvet, medicals from cornflower blue velvet and so on. The coller of the blue jackets were covered with the same material and colour.And, of cause, the buttons show always the HAPAG-shield on an anchor.RegardsCSForrester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I wonder if we are looking at the wrong Germany?What has always puzzled me with these is that a Handelsmarine engineer could have full Kapit?n rating.Could these be from the DDR's Merchant Marine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) Guys,Here are some similar Handelsmarine boards.First Hapag "steuerman" with the Hapag emblem in the button.Pic Co Andre Edited January 19, 2008 by Taz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 And German Handelsmarine Oberleutnant zur See.Very similar looking to the first ones Chris posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 And German Handelsmarine Oberleutnant zur See.Very similar looking to the first ones Chris posted Yes, these are the same. So that is West-German Handelsmarine. Thanks for posting!Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fregatte Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 There is no Oberleutnant zur See in the Handelsmarine (merchant navy) two stripes is a second Mate or 2. Steuermann or 2. Offiziier.regardsffregatte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 So 4 stripes would not be a "real" Kapit?n (Ing) -- I cannot imagine what sort of merchant vessel would have a CAPTAIN in the engine room--- but something like the title, "Chief Engineer?"These actually are more indications of POSITION than "rank"? So a "Chief Steward" or "Chief Physician" would ALSO wear 4 stripes? EVERYBODY with 4 stripes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 There is no Oberleutnant zur See in the Handelsmarine (merchant navy) two stripes is a second Mate or 2. Steuermann or 2. Offiziier.regardsffregatteThanks fregatte, It was decribed like that Regards Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 They certainly look post-1945. But I have no idea whether these are Bundesmarine or merchant navy.That is my thought as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Craig Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Gents,Question about the buttons used by the Handlesmarine. Did they always have the Handelsmarine crest? The boards Webr55 posted has buttons that are definitely not from the DDR or the Bundesmarine. Both these organizations used an anchor with the cross piece at the top in a staright horizontal position. The buttons with the boards webr55 posted have the crosspiece on an angle.Regards,Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fregatte Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Gents,Question about the buttons used by the Handlesmarine. Did they always have the Handelsmarine crest? The boards Webr55 posted has buttons that are definitely not from the DDR or the Bundesmarine. Both these organizations used an anchor with the cross piece at the top in a staright horizontal position. The buttons with the boards webr55 posted have the crosspiece on an angle.Regards,GordonHwello,each shipping company uses their own uniform, cap and also different buttons. There is no conformity in the Handelsmarine, like in the Deutsche Marine.regardsJurgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David S Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 So 4 stripes would not be a "real" Kapit?n (Ing) -- I cannot imagine what sort of merchant vessel would have a CAPTAIN in the engine room--- but something like the title, "Chief Engineer?"These actually are more indications of POSITION than "rank"? So a "Chief Steward" or "Chief Physician" would ALSO wear 4 stripes? EVERYBODY with 4 stripes?Even more complicated than thatHere is Merchant insignia from the 1920s or 30s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David S Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Here are the ranks . . . Part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David S Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 and Part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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