Gerd Becker Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Gentlemen,i got this Stalingrad Medal together with a document yesterday and would like to hear your opinions about it. To me it looks like a worn original, which has been regilded. What do you think?Thanks in advanceGerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Here is the document, which came with this medal. Can someone read the stamp? Rick, any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 i got this Stalingrad Medal together with a document yesterday and would like to hear your opinions about it. To me it looks like a worn original, which has been regilded.Dear Gerd,.... or not very much worne.The ribbon also looks rather new.I have an unissued Stalingrad-Medal in my collection, which looks also very "golden".Are you 100 % sure, that the medal belongs to the document ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Dear Gerd,.... or not very much worne.The ribbon also looks rather new.I have an unissued Stalingrad-Medal in my collection, which looks also very "golden".Are you 100 % sure, that the medal belongs to the document ?Best regards ChristianHi Christian,thanks, i?ll make some pictures with my camera in daylight tomorrow, then you will see the wearing traces most likely. The scans are not good enough to see that, i have to admit. I am not sure at all, that this medal belongs to the document, but they came together, so there is at least a chance that they indeed do belong together, i guess.I?ll post the pictures tomorrow for further discussion....best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Looks like a genuine one to me.Could you also place a total overvieuw of front and back with total ribbon on it to be more sure?It is not uncommon for a worn one to have this colour and often they were remounted with new ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Looks like a genuine one to me.Could you also place a total overvieuw of front and back with total ribbon on it to be more sure?It is not uncommon for a worn one to have this colour and often they were remounted with new ribbon.Thank you, Wilco. I?ll make a picture like requested as well tomorrow. You will see then, the ribbon also looks very new.Thanks again Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Nice one Gerd. Looks fine to me.Since I'm such a Russian language expert What's the date of the doc? Feb 15 /43? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Thanks, Darrel The Date is 15. December 1943 Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Thanks, Darrel The Date is 15. December 1943 GerdThere you go. I had a 1/12 chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Awarded to Guards Senior Sergeant Ivan Petrovich Alekseyev, doc signed by a Major-General (Danilov?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Thank you, Auke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Gerd-- what is ODD is that the unit is written out as normal, 54th Guards "Makeevsky" Rifles Division, signed by commander Guards Generalmajor Danilov (per Steen Ammentorp's Generals website: Mikhail Matveevich Danilov, commanded 54th Rifles Div 1942-45, died 1963 ) BUT the almost completely illegible stamp is for a Feldpost "Unit ?6658" which is EXTREMELY unusual for a wartime unit. Too bad the rest of the lettering there is not legible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Interesting, thanks for the info, Rick. The document is definately old and has seen a rough life. Its taped on the reverse and the ink looks indeed old. Nice extra is of course the Guards Unit and the HSU-signature The first number is in my opinion a 0 in that Feldpost number.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Here is a camera picture, which shows quite well the concerns with this medal. I am still conviced, its a good one and another collector, who had it in hand, agreed. But what is it really? A good copy or a worn down die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 (edited) Here is a camera picture, which shows quite well the concerns with this medal. I am still conviced, its a good one and another collector, who had it in hand, agreed. But what is it really? A good copy or a worn down die?I would state a veteran that wore his medals almost every day Edited May 9, 2007 by Wilco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I would state a veteran that wore his medals almost every day Unless I am wrong, there is gold finish still remaining on the "worn" area. I tend to think that it is a worn die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 Unless I am wrong, there is gold finish still remaining on the "worn" area. I tend to think that it is a worn die.Thanks, guys. Wilco, thats, what i though first too, but the finish of the medal is still intact, so i assumed, it was regilded. I tend to agree with Paul, that its a worn out die.Well, at least its an interesting original, as everyone agrees so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Thanks, guys. Wilco, thats, what i though first too, but the finish of the medal is still intact, so i assumed, it was regilded. I tend to agree with Paul, that its a worn out die.Well, at least its an interesting original, as everyone agrees so far Interesting indeed. i wonder if a veteran in the formar USSR could help out. I have seen more of this kind on other worn out medals. Could it be that when veterans let their medal being reribboned with a new ribbon and ribbonholder, the person/organisation or business that does that also has the oppertunity to regild the medals? This in order to make them look nice again on the uniform at the annual memorial days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 12, 2007 Author Share Posted May 12, 2007 Wilco, i have seen that for imperial german medals, so i assume, its not impossible, that russian veterans have their medals worked up for a parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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