andyg Posted June 18, 2007 Author Share Posted June 18, 2007 And the rear view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Magnificent!!!! The ONLY other country whose designs are so consistently BEAUTIFUL is Belgium. The Baltic republics of the 1920s-30s are very close runners up (though they often had strange ribbon suspensions which made for awkward groups wear).Anyone designing or approving decorations anywhere on our planet should look to the Serbian kingdom for what to do RIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 If you wish to see a veritable array of Serbian pieces see ANS part 1 Morton and Eden 24-25/5/06. Which is available on mortonandeden.com and follow archived sales link. Included were a breast star of Milosh and a neck badge, various insignia of Takovo amongst others.PaulThese are wonderful.I hope you can make larger scans so the detail on these beautiful awards is clearer. (An Epson scanner works best for allowing you to easily control sizing and resolution).I have NEVER seen a Milosh before, and have not seen any grade of Takovo in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 A good undamaged White eagle 4 class with swords by Hugenin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 The rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Does any one know when Hugenin started manufactuing Serbian/Jugoslavian Orders? Presumably post unified Jugoslavian state.PaulThe rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 Paul, G.A Scheid was Austrian jeweller and when WWI started, the Serbians then used Hugenin (swiss),Bertrand (french) and even Zimmerman of Germany and a few other jewellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Paul, G.A Scheid was Austrian jeweller and when WWI started, the Serbians then used Hugenin (swiss),Bertrand (french) and even Zimmerman of Germany and a few other jewellers.Many thanks Andy that clears a few points up.All the best,Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 Funny I mentioned G.A Scheid, got these 2 today in belgrade.Takavo 4 class and 3 class boxed. 4 cl front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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orden_master Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hi Paulas mentioned earlier most of the Serbian medals and awards befor WWi have been made in Vienna and are of the most beautiful orders in the world. During and after WWi most of manufactury of orders and medals are given to Arthus Bertrand in Paris.It was in 1921 when Alexander Karadjordjevic took the reign from his father that he switched to Swiss production and most of the orders (spec. White Eagle, St. Sava and The Karadjordje star) have been made by Huguenin. Most of us beleive that this was Alexanders affinity to Switzerland as he passed a big part of his education time in Switzerland.Best regards from SwitzerlandMDoes any one know when Hugenin started manufactuing Serbian/Jugoslavian Orders? Presumably post unified Jugoslavian state.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 as mentioned earlier most of the Serbian medals and awards befor WWi have been made in Vienna and are of the most beautiful orders in the world.Dear Milan,that means, that Vienna produced the most supreme quality in Serbian Orders & Medals .Do the well known juwellers in Vienna still produce the old Serbian Orders on request, as they do with the old k.u.k. Orders ?When yes, is the quality of the "new" old Serbian Orders lower, despite the fact, that they use the old dies ?Is there a different market price for Serbian Orders made in Austria, France or Switzerland ?Many thanks for your expertise .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 So what is the story behind the Order of Milosch the Great? It really looks astonishing!!David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orden_master Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Hallo Christian, Guten AbendYes you are absolutely right the most beautiful work of the 1860-1914 are from Vienna jewelers as they have been a lot of well known names from that period like Scheid, Rothe, Fischmeister, Resch, V. Meyer and other, even partially unkown even by hard research.None of the new jewelers in the moment is producing Serbian orders (as far as I know). They certainly would do the job but they would have to build new dies. Rothe was the last one selling his dies about 10 years ago the others are or disapeard or distructed. The same with Huguenin in the process of a hous keeping they have distructed the old Serbian dies . Only a few (3 or 4 medal dies survived by surprise).The quality of French or Swiss production is also pretty high and the items are well done but they never came approximatively near the FULL hand made piceces from Vienna. The manual craftmanship, (finish) in Vienna was unique you just have to look to the detail of the orders.As the grade of rarety is not varying to much between the periods there are not too high price differences beetwen the A, CH or F made orders. Nevertheless the very early piecec thius 1860-1903 period (Obrrenovic) are higher priced than the other ones.You are always welcome ! MDear Milan,that means, that Vienna produced the most supreme quality in Serbian Orders & Medals .Do the well known juwellers in Vienna still produce the old Serbian Orders on request, as they do with the old k.u.k. Orders ?When yes, is the quality of the "new" old Serbian Orders lower, despite the fact, that they use the old dies ?Is there a different market price for Serbian Orders made in Austria, France or Switzerland ?Many thanks for your expertise .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orden_master Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Before I startsome more pictures regardsMSo what is the story behind the Order of Milosch the Great? It really looks astonishing!!David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Lieber Milan,many thanks for your expertise .So, we people in Vienna can be proud with the craftmanship of our old "k.u.k Hoflieferanten" juwellers .It's a sad story about the destruction of the dies .Many thanks for sharing scans of your incredible collection of old Serbian awards with us .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Thank you for sharing those wonderfull pictures. I've never seen a Milosch order star before. Stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 For anyone wanting information on the Order of Milosh the Great there is an extremely good OMSA monograph (No. 3) by Dragomir M. Acovic published in 1980 containing statutes, nominal lists of all the awards. It is interesting to note that it was only 9 times in the first class 22 times 2nd, 66 3rd and 128 4th so a geniunly very rare order in all classes. there are also pictures of all the classes with the exception of the 1st and 2nd class badges (So the sash badge illustrated is a very valuable image, there is also a picture of a warrant (that must be as rare as rocking horse manure). I was fortunate enough to purchase the monograph for the princely sum of $4 at the OMSA convention.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orden_master Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hi Paulyes the monograph is perfect but as it was published long time ago there are very few good copies turning arround. The last I saw on sale was more than 4 years ago. I have the whole monograph scaned and in pdf format. I am working on it to correct some errors in the original text and to put new pictures in it. But as always ........ times goes by . My dad who died 7 years ago always told me there are two things in your life you will always have the impression that you do not have enough its time and money and you will never have both togheter, maybe one or the other, maybe !!And he was SO RIGHT !!!Best regardsMilanFor anyone wanting information on the Order of Milosh the Great there is an extremely good OMSA monograph (No. 3) by Dragomir M. Acovic published in 1980 containing statutes, nominal lists of all the awards. It is interesting to note that it was only 9 times in the first class 22 times 2nd, 66 3rd and 128 4th so a geniunly very rare order in all classes. there are also pictures of all the classes with the exception of the 1st and 2nd class badges (So the sash badge illustrated is a very valuable image, there is also a picture of a warrant (that must be as rare as rocking horse manure). I was fortunate enough to purchase the monograph for the princely sum of $4 at the OMSA convention.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orden_master Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Here an other Serbian award from the Obrenovic dynasty periodThe order of the Takovo crossthe pics show a GC set made by Rothe in Vienna:regardsM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtender Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Hello Gentlemans, what for value have this Milosh order? Thanks, Xt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 This seems to be a Commanders Cross. The Order of Milosh the great is seldom seen on the market. I guess it will range somewhere between 2000 to 5000 euro. jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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