Hungary The Hungarian Order of Merit

[Gordon Craig]

Another photo of backs of these awards. One has no number at all!

[Gordon Craig]

Now for the breast stars. There are three different variations based on the thickness of the award. Here is what Zoltan had to say. I am not entirely sure what he measn when he says "The max: 9,5 mm, 12 mm, 12.5 mm." I'll have to ask him to explain that terminology but that will have to be tomorrow as I am off to bed.

Gordon!

Photos from the thicknes. (made from the 2. class, but the 1. class, and the 3. class is similar)

2. class:

1 mm, 1.5 mm, 2 mm at the edge.

The max: 9,5 mm, 12 mm, 12,5 mm

Weight: 52,2 g 65 g 77,2 g

Zoltan

Edited October 3, 2007 by Gordon Craig

[Gordon Craig]

Well I've sent off an email about the part of the response I did not understand and we'll see what the reply is. We can now be reasonably sure that the State Mint made some of these orders without the date on the back. Who applied the date on the back of the large 2nd class order that Anatoly has is not known at this time. The one 5th class order pictured may indicate that some of them were issued without numbers and engraved at a later date or engraved with the date before they were issued. Since Zoltan has said there are no records kept of how many of the different shaped numerals were made it is reasonable to assume that there are no records kept of which classes were made without numbers or how many of each were produced. We are at least much the wiser about this order than befor we heard from Zoltan.

Regards,

Gordon

[Anatoly13]

Great and very important information!

Thx a lot, Gordon!!!

[Gordon Craig]

I was at the Hungarian Military Museum today and took a picture of a Generals uniform with what looks like a 2nd class award worn on a ribbon bar. The bar appears to have ben put together by the museum for this display but it is nice to look at.

Regards,

Gordon

[Ulsterman]

nice photo-mid 1960s?

[hunyadi]

nope - parade dress - pre 1956 - some of these were carried on after the events of 1956, but not with the slip on shoulder boards

[ilja559]

Colonel Oveshnikov Aleksandr

[cimbineus]

Another photo of backs of these awards. One has no number at all!

Gents,

As far as I know, those without "1949" on the back were produced later and those are stage-properties, specially made for theaters and movie shootings.

cimbineus

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[cimbineus]

Colonel Oveshnikov Aleksandr

Hi ilja559,

This is a very nice photograph! And as always, Soviet officers/generals (incorrectly) wear both, the Order and the Medal with the miniature for "causal" outfit too. They like "luster" very much ...

cimbineus

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[cimbineus]

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Gents,

Here is a compilation assisting you in comparing sizes of the miniatures on the ribbons.

cimbineus

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[cimbineus]

Here is the Order of Merit of the Hungarian People's Republic 1st degree (those orders had degrees and not classes)

Edited January 22, 2010 by cimbineus

[cimbineus]

...and here are the 1st and 2nd degrees side by side:

[Anatoly13]

Nice pictures! Thanx!

[cimbineus]

Nice pictures! Thanx!

Thanks a lot Tolya.

Here you can see all stars of the Order from 1st to 4th degrees:

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[cimbineus]

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.Just one more picture...

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[cimbineus]

Very nice finds! There are some real gems in there Rick! I love the floral pattern scuff plates. Not seen to often. Now you need 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st classes -

Hi Gents,

Let me add one more version to our Merit Order case bottoms collection, a „Christmas gift wrap"-type pattern.

Regards,

cimbineus

[Ulsterman]

I NEVER see the 4th classes for sale. Who got those?

[hunyadi]

There have been two on Ebay in the last few years.... but they went for more than I want to pay for one.... Collect Russia had / has some if I recall...

[Igor Ostapenko]

On 7 במאי 2010 at 17:25, Ulsterman said:

I NEVER see the 4th classes for sale. Who got those?

https://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=19871

 

[Igor Ostapenko]

Order of Merit of the Hungarian People's Republic 1st. degree , was awarded to polish minister 

69.5 mm and 82.5 gr. (sic!)

[cimbineus]

Congratulations, Igor. This is an excellent and scarce piece in very good conditions. Have you got the so-called "small decoration" and the ribbon with miniature as well?

Let me show you the whole set of ribbons with miniatures for these orders and medals.

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by cimbineus

[Igor Ostapenko]

Thank you for picture of ribbons ! 

"Kleine Decoration" was without ribbon  and in bad codition ... 

Do you have list of receipients ? 

Order receive Stefan Dybowski 

[cimbineus]

Да, потрепанный он у вас бедняжка, a жаль. Лента такая должна быть с миниатюрой на ней.

Here is the ribbon with the miniature on it.

 

Покажу ещё одну фотку, если позволите. I-ая  и II-ая степени со всеми принaдлежностями. :-)

Here is one more picture with the first two drades of the order with "small decorations" and ribbons.

[Igor Ostapenko]

Great Items  , thank you !!! 

Can you let us now wight of order 1st degree ? 

My order 82.5 gr ( 69.5 mm and one mm edge ) 

These orders was in gilded silver or only gilded bronze ?