W?rttemberg-Weimar-Detmold Weird Ribbon Bar

[Guest Rick Research]

The first 4 ribbons are normal 15mm width, while the last is--inexplicably--only 12.5mm wide.

This came to me from David S and has been driving me nuts for many moons.

But Daniel FOUND him, and from his 1918 CIVILIAN job listing, verifying all awards.

Geheimer Oberfinanzrat/Rittmeister der Reserve Dr. Hermann Erythropel (1874-1930)

1) Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914 (also had EK1)

2) Red Eagle Order 4th Class

3) W?rttemberg Friedrich Order-Knight 1st Class: Rtr dR, Reserve Hussar (Sch?tzen) Regiment 2 in 33rd Reserve Division 29.12.1917

4) Saxe-Weimar White Falcon Order-Knight 2nd: Same rank and unit, 50th on the Prussian listing for 1915

5) Lippe Detmold War Merit Cross

He also had a Prussian Reserve-Landwehr Decoration 2nd Class before the war, which he chose not to wear, God knows why.

He was promoted Rittmeister der Reserve in Hussar Regiment 12 1913/14.

His ? father, Julius William Erythropel (b. 1843) was lavishly decorated as a Detmold Geheimer Justizrat serving on the Reichsgericht in Leipzig. The bizarrely named family appear to have come from Hannover, and were civil servants and diplomats.

The 1917 Hof Kalendar merely shows his name and position (Prussian Finance Ministry, 1st Department-- next to last line near bottom)

but the 1918 Prussian State Handbook shows all his wartime awards!!!!

[Deruelle]

Hi Rick,

Great job to you and Daniel.

Regards

Christophe

[Glenn J]

Hi Rick,

Hermann Erythropel (Landwehr-Bezirk IV Berlin) was commissioned as a Leutnant der Reserve into the Th?ringisches Husar-Regiment Nr. 12 on 16 November 1899 (Patent 16.11.99 W7w). In 1902 he was living at Magdeburgerstra?e 15 in Berlin. By 1906 he is shown as a Dr. jur. and Gerichtsassessor in Breslau at Margaretenstra?e 25 on the books of Landwehrbezirk I Breslau. Promoted to Oberleutnant der Reserve on 21.12.09 he his shown back in Berlin in 1911 (Landwehrbezirk IV Berlin) as a Regierungsrat in Berlin-Sch?neberg at Meranerstra?e 9. Promoted to Rittmeister der Reserve on 22.3.14.

Regards

Glenn

[Guest Rick Research]

Thanks Glenn! I shall now go see what the Berlin city directories online have after the war.

[David S]

Excellent !!!

I knew with that combination it must have been findable

[Guest Rick Research]

As is often (not often ENOUGH, aaaaauuuuggghhhh ) the case, sometimes a "little" group comes out where BIGGER groups remain Driving Me .

Evil Ricky most satanically passed on a set and two halves to me with 13 WW1 awards to some sort of later Reichs Arbeits Dienst Super-Hero and despite all the rolls now done, have been unable to find HIM.

I found Erythropel alive according to the Berlin city directories until 1933, the last time he appears. He got promoted in 1924/25 to Ministerial Direktor and title is clarified as Dr.jur.

Apparently he didn't answer the door in 1928, when he isn't listed, so he retired between 1927 (active) and 1929 (shown as Min Dir zD).

Another Very Odd Fashion Statement comes up with this ribbon baar. He's mounted it in Super Prussian precedence, with the peacetime Red Eagle ahead of his wartime awards = 5 ribbons. But he had a Prussian LD2 before the war (and would have received the LD1 afterwards for more than XX years time in)... yet he chose NOT to wear THAT ribbon. 5--but not 6--ribbons? Was it "Decorations Only?" Why leave off one ribbon? Yet this was very very common, and can be particularly tricky with really huge groups where the wearer left things on or off randomly...

or at least for no "reason" we can now see.

[David S]

There is a Heinrich Erythropel (1864-1940) . . . maybe a relative?

http://www.frankfurter-verbindungen.de/korporierte/e.html

http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/Me-Schwerin...rblick_Reg.html

Just playing with google

[Guest Rick Research]

whatever... they were... they must all have been related!!!!

What the heck IS an "Erythopel?" All out of Hannover, but....

[David S]

I found an Ilsa Erythropel, daughter of the German Ambassador to Cuba

http://www.juliogirona.com/

Must have been a family of Civil Servants

Edited October 11, 2007 by David S

[Guest Rick Research]

Oops. Forgot to SHOW his entry in the 1918 Prussian Court and State Handbook:

[Paul C]

Great job finding him. The 1918 Prussian State and Court book is very hard to find.

[webr55]

Hermann Erythropel got his Dr. jur. from the University of G?ttingen in 1898.

[Guest Rick Research]

The Prussian and Reichs civil service directories from 1918 are spectacular. Finding anybody from a combination of awards without clues from the award Rolls is a matter of pure chance--thousands of pages to go through-- but it is at least now POSSIBLE to see what tens of thousands of "invisible" dR and dL officers got during the war-- from their Day Job listings.

Paul is tirelessly amassing wartime Court and State Handbooks for another CD of never-seen-before awards groups references.

[ccj]

The Prussian and Reichs civil service directories from 1918 are spectacular. Finding anybody from a combination of awards without clues from the award Rolls is a matter of pure chance--thousands of pages to go through-- but it is at least now POSSIBLE to see what tens of thousands of "invisible" dR and dL officers got during the war-- from their Day Job listings.

Paul is tirelessly amassing wartime Court and State Handbooks for another CD of never-seen-before awards groups references.

Could it belong to Lt d R Stubgen?

[Guest Rick Research]

What?

[ccj]

What?

Oh, I'm just searching for a White Falcon ribbon bar for Lt d R Stubgen.

I know it's not his but it would look good on his tunic anyway.

[Guest Rick Research]

Naaaaah, St?bgen was a young guy from his rank, not an old civil servant like Erythropel.