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[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

thanks, the red case thumbs up is a bit of a relief, I was a bit worried there.

 

whats the deal with the tip ridge on the top arm that Don Marked? I read there was some relevence, but am not sure what it is....

 

[Streptile]

Let's see the case yours came with.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

 

looks very much like a Rote Adler, but is I think very late war with a much lower quality than most Adler I have seen..... but then i must admit, its not something I have ever really concentrated on....

[Streptile]

Nice one in an original case Chris.

I know this comment was over seven years ago...

Case of issue was black. Not red.

​...but more recent findings have confirmed for me (and others) that red is perfectly, 100% acceptable, as is green. In fact red may have been the more common case color after a certain point.

Further, I have never seen a black one -- so I'm not sure where that idea came from.

[Wild Card]

Gentlemen,

I would like to share an example of a proper case.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Wild Card

[Wild Card]

Possibly there were other types, or versions, I can't say for sure, but I am inclined to doubt it.

 

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think they are early and late. the silk lid liner falling away and the gold ribbed boarder becoming a cheaper paint job.

I cannot see any other award that would require such a lower quality late box?

[Streptile]

Possibly there were other types, or versions, I can't say for sure, but I am inclined to doubt it.

​Hi Wild Card,

Mine came in a similar case, but it is now widely accepted that red cases were also used.

Chris' example is just one (of very, very many according to ASI) that has come directly from family estates in a red case.

[Wild Card]

​Hi Wild Card,

Mine came in a similar case, but it is now widely accepted that red cases were also used.

Chris' example is just one (of very, very many according to ASI) that has come directly from family estates in a red case.

​Hi Streptile,

That's good enough for me.

Incidentally, did you know that the style of case that I posted came in larger sizes for other awards?

Good to hear from you,

Wild Card

[Les]

 

 

I have the same colored  case for the GMVK that Wild Card shows.

​The RAO and GMVK cases from the GOK are the same size, and both medals fit comfortably in the same boxes. There were thousands of RAO's awarded during the Imperial era, and not all that many GMVK's during the war years. Pre- and early war,, there may have been a color distinction to know by sight, what was inside. I strongly suspect the cases made late in the war might have been interchangeable for BOTH awards. Cheaply made wartime cases that fell apart after the war may have been replaced with another case that fit, regardless of the color it was originally in. Many people take the view that if something works, then use it.

Edited April 12, 2015 by Les

[Streptile]

​Hi Streptile,

That's good enough for me.

Incidentally, did you know that the style of case that I posted came in larger sizes for other awards?

Good to hear from you,

Wild Card

​Hi W. Card,

Thanks, nice to see you here too.

I didn't know that that exact same case came larger for other awards, but I do know that very similar cases were used for e.g. the PLM. Is that what you mean? Can you show an example of a larger case?

Incidentally, here is another of the same type of case that Chris shows, also below (© emedals).

I'm not 100% sure it is the same proportions as a RAO case, but I guess measurements would be necessary to answer that question.

[Wild Card]

No problem.

Here is the GMVK case on the left, with a larger version on the right.

 

[Wild Card]

In residence

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

 

 I strongly suspect the cases made late in the war might have been interchangeable for BOTH awards. Cheaply made wartime cases that fell apart after the war may have been replaced with another case that fit, regardless of the color it was originally in. Many people take the view that if something works, then use it.

​I think that is probably where the truth lies..... I think they are very late and could probably be found with both. Maybe the GMVK a little bit more as it is possible that RAO was pretty much down at this late date?

Unfortunately not directly from the family but believably close to being from non collector hands.... I think it is an obvious late war case with a very steep decline in quality.....

[Streptile]

In residence

​

Wow! Very nice, thank you for showing!

[Stogieman]

That picture shown in the eMedals.com post was from my collection originally..... it did not come with a cross.

My experience is that the MEZ1 came in the red case and the PLM enlisted came in the black case.

[Stogieman]

I was never convinced the red case was appropriate for this cross.

[Stogieman]

here's my copy of the pix shown in the above post

[Stogieman]

here's another one in a black case

[Stogieman]

uncased one

[Stogieman]

Mounted GMVK

[Stogieman]

The whole bar

[Stogieman]

I do agree that there are green cases out there for the PLM enlisted. But I don;'t think they were issued in the red cases. the reddish-maroon cases were used for the MEZ1, they also came in black cases

[ccj]

Here is my issue cross. I also have a bronze-gilt cross for the medal bar or possibly everyday wear.

I've always wanted one and have highest regard for enlisted soldiers as they are often overlooked when it's time to recognize bravery. Many a man has been overlooked throughout history...