Luftmensch Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hermann Historica has done it again. What "it" is I'm not exactly sure. As usual, only oral provenance, and with an uncommon but common looking soldered plaque which possibly means the silver was too thin in 1918 for engraving.Wolfgang H. sez it belonged to Lt. Georg Wolff who must have been quite a favourite with the family, but there is nothing in writing as with the MvR items in the last auction. Given the date I wonder of Manfred ever saw this, or if he was called to HQ for this goblet and then again a few days later for his Red Eagle? Interesting, but suspiciously not the usual quality of a Kaiserpreis. But if you've got 20,000+ Euros burning a hole somewhere and don't look tooooooo closely....! RgdsJohnA towering 16.34 inches! (41.5 cm)P.S. Years ago I saw the cased fire-gilt damascened letter opener given to Goering by the Kaiser after he took over the squadron from MvR. It was far superior to this cup in design and execution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 John!!!!!! You found us! Welcome aboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 (edited) Thank you, Mr. Moderator! Since you and Rick left its been like Death Valley Days over in the `Drome waiting for someone to post! Unless I screwed up there's already an Aerowallah, Fliegerwallah, & Luftwallah registered over here. I can't wait to meet my namesakes. Maybe they dwell in Naziland. Edited September 14, 2005 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi, It is a beautiful pokal. It is the first time I see one like this. The price is nice too . Good luck to buy it.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 (edited) No, no, no, no! Not for me! It would have to be documented up the kazoo to even consider it. I just posted this in case one of you recognized it as a chalice from your local church or a gift from Aunt Edna. Maybe with the silver shortage the Kaiser had to recycle something from the palace. Maybe the plaque covers over another inscription likeZu Wilhelm f?r hervorragende Dienste als MessknabenRgdsJohn Edited September 14, 2005 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Bwahahaha, yes, provenance is definitely everything with a piece like this. Oh, I'm also a recruit from the 'drome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 ...and a fellow Canadian...how lucky can a guy get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I'm thinking real goblet, fake plaque/inscription. Somebody will buy it. Just like all the Richtoffen "victory cups" that seem to routinely sell annually at US Auction Houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 at last count, the baron had shot down 5,285 enemy aircraft,including 7 P-51's and an F-15....i agree. a very nice pokal with a very bogus plaque attached.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Recently the F-15 kill has been revised to "probable." It requires more confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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