Richthofen "75" Kill Goblet

[Luftmensch]

Hermann Historica has done it again. What "it" is I'm not exactly sure. As usual, only oral provenance, and with an uncommon but common looking soldered plaque which possibly means the silver was too thin in 1918 for engraving.

Wolfgang H. sez it belonged to Lt. Georg Wolff who must have been quite a favourite with the family, but there is nothing in writing as with the MvR items in the last auction. Given the date I wonder of Manfred ever saw this, or if he was called to HQ for this goblet and then again a few days later for his Red Eagle? Interesting, but suspiciously not the usual quality of a Kaiserpreis. But if you've got 20,000+ Euros burning a hole somewhere and don't look tooooooo closely....!

Rgds

John

A towering 16.34 inches! (41.5 cm)

P.S. Years ago I saw the cased fire-gilt damascened letter opener given to Goering by the Kaiser after he took over the squadron from MvR. It was far superior to this cup in design and execution...

[Stogieman]

John!!!!!! You found us! Welcome aboard!

[Luftmensch]

Thank you, Mr. Moderator! Since you and Rick left its been like Death Valley Days over in the `Drome waiting for someone to post! Unless I screwed up there's already an Aerowallah, Fliegerwallah, & Luftwallah registered over here. I can't wait to meet my namesakes. Maybe they dwell in Naziland.

Edited September 14, 2005 by Luftmensch

[Deruelle]

Hi,

It is a beautiful pokal. It is the first time I see one like this. The price is nice too . Good luck to buy it.

Christophe

[Luftmensch]

No, no, no, no! Not for me! It would have to be documented up the kazoo to even consider it. I just posted this in case one of you recognized it as a chalice from your local church or a gift from Aunt Edna. Maybe with the silver shortage the Kaiser had to recycle something from the palace. Maybe the plaque covers over another inscription like

Zu Wilhelm f?r hervorragende Dienste als Messknaben

Rgds

John

Edited September 14, 2005 by Luftmensch

[VtwinVince]

Bwahahaha, yes, provenance is definitely everything with a piece like this. Oh, I'm also a recruit from the 'drome.

[Luftmensch]

...and a fellow Canadian...how lucky can a guy get?

[Stogieman]

I'm thinking real goblet, fake plaque/inscription. Somebody will buy it. Just like all the Richtoffen "victory cups" that seem to routinely sell annually at US Auction Houses.

[joe campbell]

at last count, the baron had shot down 5,285 enemy aircraft,

including 7 P-51's and an F-15....

i agree. a very nice pokal with a very bogus plaque attached.

joe

[Bob Hunter]

Recently the F-15 kill has been revised to "probable." It requires more confirmation.