Guest Rick Research Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I just realized that I have exactly ONE medal bar and ribbon bar set whose original owner is identified-- but I have no idea when he got his MK2-- or if he got an MK1:This set belonged to then-Kapit?nleutnant zur See der Seewehr I (later char. KK zS dSW1 aD) Paul WIEHR (1868-after 1939), in the late 1920s Commodore of the Hamburg-Amerika Linie, commander of their flagship "Albert Ballin."Do you have the date and assignment for his MK2? If computer-format issues can ever be resolved so the Hamburg Hanseatic Cross roll can be transcribed, that will reveal his award date for that one too.Completing his very odd pre-WW1 peacetime awards-- he also had a PERSIAN Order of the Sun & Lion-Commander grade!!!!This was the first medal bar set I ever got from George Seymour, a million years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I am not REALLY asking about this one, since I am stuck at 26 names out of 34 EH3bXs in this division. I just don't know how you have organized your computer transcriptions--CAN you search by units?Illustrating "it is better to give than receive," in the 80. Reserve Division, there was a unique pairing af MECKLENBURG RIR 266 and ALTENBURG RIR 264. However NO Mecklenburgers were given the EH3bX by Saxe-Altenburg, so this must be a "Mecklenburg was nicer" award to an Altenburger. ONE member of RIR 265 in 80 RD had the EH3bX-- Lt dL Rudolf FRANKThe following officers in RIR 264 (Altenburg) cannot yet be eliminated as potential suspects, though I am now going tpo search through the Prussian officer fatality rolls:Bachmann, Kurt Lt Br?dern, Erich Lt dRDeckmann, Hugo Lt dLEgel, Wilhelm Lt dREngelage, Karl Lt dRG?nther, Hermann Oberlt dRHomann, Heinrich Lt dRImmisch, Paul Lt dRJoeschke, Karl Lt dRKerme?/Kermess, Kurt Lt dRK?cher, Louis Lt dRKrisch, Artur Lt dRKunze, Ernst Lt dRLotze, Otto Lt dRPruchtnow, Werner Lt dRRadmann, Werner Lt Runge, Hans, Lt dRSchlemmermeyer, Leo Lt (of IR 153, Lt aD after the war)Schmutzler, Edwin Lt (sic--dR or dL-- there was no Prussian regular)Schreiter, Friedrich Lt dRStrauss, Dr.med. Hermann AA dR (survived war)Thies, Wilhelm Lt dRVoigt, Richard Lt dRVollbrecht, Willi Lt dRWiedig, Bruno Lt dLso I just wondered whether searching by unit might reduce this list?------> the Ultimate Goal, of course, is the COMBINATION of every single 1914-18 award roll to identify groups like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Aha! AS I loiter (little violins) all alone and noplace to go Christmas Eve (sniffle) I remember a THREEFER--Here is the ribbon bar of Dr. Karl BEUTIN, Ministerial Sekret?r of BOTH the Mecklenburg-Schwerin State Ministry for External Affairs AND Secretary of the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Orders Chancery, worn as a Hauptmann dL I during the war:1) he recieved the Mecklenburg Griffin Order-Knight SOME time between the May 1913 and May 1914 editions of the Army Rank List2) He is still listed at his pre-war job in the 1917 Hofkalendar so what did he DO during the war to earnCombatant MK2 and3) L?beck Hanseatic Cross?I know (snuffle) Santa will not be bringing me anything tomorrow, so MAYBE I can finally fill in some inoformation on a ribbon bar I've had for 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Rick, Nice bars. Are the bars in proper order on Dr. Karl BEUTIN's bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 He thought so. Remember-- Mecklenburg had its own rules (see "Mecklenburg Rules" in the Ribbon bar Article over on the other side of this website)--<a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...=si&img=850" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...=si&img=850</a>German wartime awardsGerman peacetime awards (he has arranged them by highest class and biggest "country" down)Long ServiceForeign.I forgot I had TWO identified "One Name" Mecklenburg groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 He thought so. Remember-- Mecklenburg had its own rules (see "Mecklenburg Rules" in the Ribbon bar Article over on the other side of this website)--<a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...=si&img=850" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...=si&img=850</a>German wartime awardsGerman peacetime awards (he has arranged them by highest class and biggest "country" down)Long ServiceForeign.I forgot I had TWO identified "One Name" Mecklenburg groups. Both are SWEEEEET Is that a White Falcon at the end or a foreign award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 @ ccj: it's the Franz Josef Orden (Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn)...take care,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) @ ccj: it's the Franz Josef Orden (Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn)...take care,ClaudioOh, thanks Edited December 26, 2007 by ccj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeheld Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Aha! AS I loiter (little violins) all alone and noplace to go Christmas Eve (sniffle) I remember a THREEFER--Here is the ribbon bar of Dr. Karl BEUTIN, Ministerial Sekret?r of BOTH the Mecklenburg-Schwerin State Ministry for External Affairs AND Secretary of the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Orders Chancery, worn as a Hauptmann dL I during the war:1) he recieved the Mecklenburg Griffin Order-Knight SOME time between the May 1913 and May 1914 editions of the Army Rank List2) He is still listed at his pre-war job in the 1917 Hofkalendar so what did he DO during the war to earnCombatant MK2 and3) L?beck Hanseatic Cross?I know (snuffle) Santa will not be bringing me anything tomorrow, so MAYBE I can finally fill in some inoformation on a ribbon bar I've had for 20 years? Hi Rick,Dr. jur. Carl Beutin received the knight cross of the Griffin Order in Schwerin as Ministerial- und Ordenssekret?r at the 09.04.1914.Regarding the MVK 2nd class I have actually no matches. But my list is veeery long and no alphabetic sorted.regardsSeeheld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 But my list is veeery long and no alphabetic sorted.Sounds like antoher roll coming into being! What are your plans regarding the data you have Seeheld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeheld Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yesterday I had a nice phone call with Daniel Krause and I agree with him to publish all my rolls from Mecklenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sounds like antoher roll coming into being! What are your plans regarding the data you have Seeheld?do you just have WOI or data before that as well? Will they be taken into the publication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 for the MG3 date!If your computer program can't sort alphabetically, I am sure Daniel can make it do that. MUCH easier to find a name by looking for just one than going through EVERYBODY the way my late guru George Seymour used to for every new group. I never could get my friend Neal O'Connor to stop listing the awards in his aviation books chronologically rather than alphabetically, either.There is nothing quite as satisfying as finishing 4,000 or 5,000 awards and hitting the "alphabetize" command and watching all that work make itself perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 From the Mecklenburg-Schwerin State Calendar 1916:Dr. Beutin as Secretary of the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Orders Chancery (note yet ANOTHER set of glyphs and abbreviations used-- MG3 and MK2 listed first as Mecklenburg awards)-- and in the same issue, as Secretary of the Ministry for External Affairs (note "LD2" above and "LD1" here-- )Dr. Beutin was also Secretary for the Administration of Mecklenburg Highways and for the board of the Mecklenburg Discipline Chamber for Non-Technical Civil Servants...while obviously off at the front doing SOMETHING in some military unit. (There must have been a LOT of day to day stuff NOT getting done back home! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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