James T Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Once again this enlisted goup fit right in my collecting theme at the time. The Glories are awarded to Sergeant Major Petr Pavlovich Gerasimenko. I purchased this group even though the 2nd class had some idiot painted the center, and then someone else tried to rub th gold paint off. I always thought I would take the time and get all the gold paint off but here it is ten year later and I still like the set. Missing a couple items but still a nice group. The booklet is rather beat but still I like that better than a new issued one.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James T Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 obverse of 2nd Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James T Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 Reverse of medals with serial numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James T Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 Order booklet name page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James T Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 Order booklet medal page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 You MUST get this set researched!! I am curious to see the Campaign medals he would have gotten!!This is a GREAT grouping!!paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Order booklet medal page Entries for Khmelnitsky 3 cl and Red Banner do not belong to this order book. William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Entries for Khmelnitsky 3 cl and Red Banner do not belong to this order book. WilliamI know that the ink is fresher... but how can you tell that they are not later entries with a different in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Stamp for Khmelnitsky looks weird. Plus, order of Khmelnitsky to a Sergeant?William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 also the Book appears to have been soaking, sodden wet... BEFORE those two were added?A 1952 Red Banner to an NCO?Only research back will reveal the real story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meffert Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 I hate to say but on my monitor there appears to be a smudge after the last digit on the OGII. Are you sure a number hasn't been erased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James T Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hello everyone something happen and I could not get logged in to answer the questions. I am now traveling and will be back later to answer any questions and to post more groups.RegardsJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slava1stclass Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) Stamp for Khmelnitsky looks weird. Plus, order of Khmelnitsky to a Sergeant?WilliamTo all: While rather uncommon, Soviet enlisted personnel did receive the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitskiy 3rd Class during the Great Patriotic War. I have a photo of one such recipient (a Guards NCO who was also a single or double Slava winner) in my collection. There are also a few Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory who received the Bogdan 3rd Class.Regards,slava1stclass Edited January 8, 2008 by slava1stclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 While rather uncommon, Soviet enlisted personnel did receive the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitskiy 3rd Class during the Great Patriotic War.Gentlemen,the Khmelnitsky 3cl had been also a not untypical award to partisans (NCO & enlisted ranks!) - have a look at the regulations & statutes of that order.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I am not saying it's not possible, just not that common.This book/group raise lots of questions.Why Khmelnitsky & Red Banner are filled in after non-numbered (long service?) post-war Military Merit medal?Why the color of the book is so uneven - very dark on the bottom and bright white on the top? Could this be indication of bleaching?I guess to answer all this questions once and for all research is necessary.William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Gentlemen,it seems, that comrade Gerasimenko promoted to officers ranks after the GPW, but the long service Red Star for 15 years duty is missing in the orders booklet .Comrade Gerasimenko had been already sergeant major in the GPW and if he stayed in the Soviet Army after 1945 it doesn't seem unlikely, that he promoted to an officer.There are some cavaliers of the Order of Glory, who ended up as a major or even higher.O.K., everything under the aspect, that the last entries in the orders booklet are not faked ... Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 As has been said already, we can sit here and pitch out guesses as much and as long as we wish, but the only way to answer any questions will be through research. While it may raise new questions, tell us things we didn't want to know, or reveal invisible wonders, it is the only way to resolve any of these questions.We look forward to seeing the results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 As has been said already, we can sit here and pitch out guesses as much and as long as we wish, but the only way to answer any questions will be through research. While it may raise new questions, tell us things we didn't want to know, or reveal invisible wonders, it is the only way to resolve any of these questions.We look forward to seeing the results! True words, Ed .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 True words, Ed .Best regards ChristianAnd as you know, Christian -- better, perhaps, than anyone else (Gnitienko) -- research is the only way to answer such questions. While the outcome may not always be as pleasant as yours, the facts are the facts, while guesses are just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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