Naxos Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 unbelievable Thanks Micha and Heiko for the heads upHardy
Ulsterman Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 .........................and here is his new created monster: Damn! Why did you sell this?He's destroying history here. That was a unique bar. Who is this person?
Ed_Haynes Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 As it is eBay, I guess there is no way to stop this. Ah . . . eBay . . . ???
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Damn! Why did you sell this?Sometimes things need to be sold for several private and personal reasons..........I am very very sorry that my old bars are no longer authentic and original but while selling them I did not knew that it is possibel to exclude single ebay members from auctions.....by the way, if he has several accounts (and he has!!!) then you need to know ALL of them to stop him...and he has still the possibility to let some friends buy the things for him - Ergo, things like this will happen and we can`t stop it!!!
Ed_Haynes Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Again: eBay!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess, when you deal there, you must expect such desecration? Edited January 11, 2008 by Ed_Haynes
Motorhead Posted January 11, 2008 Author Posted January 11, 2008 More auctions....Michahttp://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZcetra2003
Ulsterman Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 what's his real name?I have the right to exclude people from bidding and state thusly, so long as I do not do so on the basis of their memebrship in a legally protected class (sexual orientation/gender/race/age/national origin etc).I note that twice now this week I have asked about the real identity of these history rapists and while they are clearly well known to those who discuss these events, everyone is afraid to name names: it's quite an age when everyone is afraid to do anything, even in/for something as minor as this fraudulent transaction...and that's what it is, implicit collusion.
saschaw Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 No problem about real names. This is his homepage: www.ordensammler.com an according to "contact" it's Mr.Bernd UhrigHinter den G?rten 10 72072 T?bingen Deutschland/GermanyeBay user "cetra2003" is registered to another person, of female gender. I've gut no information if she is really doing something or if it's just Mr. Uhrig who uses the name ...
Motorhead Posted January 11, 2008 Author Posted January 11, 2008 Cetra2003 is running under Christine Uhrig....Micha
Ulsterman Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 right-thank you.Off to email a few bidders.Cheers!
saschaw Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Cetra2003 is running under Christine Uhrig....Oh, I thought she used to have another family name ... Who wants to congratulate?
saschaw Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 On eBay there's now a "club style" EK 1870 offered with "club like" scans by "maexle19". I asked for beter pictures, in a manner I knew the seller because I had a friend (M?xle ) of mine in mind ... but later I looked at his feedback ... Anyone here should do the same .... (the feedback, not the familiar email)Auction:http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=220191014912And his feedback as buyer:http://feedback.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V...FeedbackAsBuyerHe has no other auctions - by now!
jabnus Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 i am following this topic with much interest, thank you.The problem is now we know THIS seller, but how many other sellers might do the same???
saschaw Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 "cetra2003" wasn't Christine Uhrig but Traub when I got the last email. Someone wants to guess who "maexle19" is? Alexander Traub.
Jason Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) And again we have more examples of some of Heiko's bars "upgraded" by cetra2003......check out ebay.de......cheers Jason Edited January 25, 2008 by Jason
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 yes....... here is a bar he bought 2 months ago from me.....
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 ...............................and that is what he made of it in his Frankenstein cave...
HeikoGrusdat Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 and another re-monstered-new-creation..... bought from me some months ago....
HeikoGrusdat Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 ...........................and now on ebay
Ed_Haynes Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 While this is far, far, outside my area: Is there no way to put a stop to this ongoing desecration of history?!?!? Sickening, absolutely sickening.
EuRob Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) Dont think it can be stopped but as long as 'its' supply is limited?If I wasnt a member on these here forums I probably would have fallen foul of it. Bet new collectors see these and have a punt. Wrong!Rob Edited February 1, 2008 by EuRob
saschaw Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 ...........................and now on ebay But not the club, but someone from Erfurt. One more for my list of persons I won't sell to anything. There is no legal way to stop this ...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 Ummmm, how is this not FRAUD-- even as defined by the morons at eCrap?Very clear before and after medal bar photos. Even an eCrap desk idiot can see that they are the same bars, and that this is not a question of "restoration" by putting (fake modern) battle bars etc in the holes (uh, there are NO holes) where nothing ever was.This is exactly like taking an original photo of Famous Person XYZ and forging an autograph on it.It's FRAUD.EVEN as defined by eCrap simpletons.
jabnus Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) I've been reading this topic with very much interest and as a collector im on the side of the people who think that frauds like this guy deserve a very hard kick in a place where it hurts....But what i wonder is: he obviously OWNS the bars he is changing into monsters and definately knows what he is buying to change into frauds.... But as an owner you can do what you want with your possessions, right? It hurts to see those changed bars with before and after pictures, but im afraid there is no law that says you can't fool aroud with a medal you own and afterwards sell it. On the other hand this guy is not any different than any of the people who sell FAKE stuff on purpose, only he destroys real material to sell his monsters...We all know this little collectorworld is FULL with people who have their heart not at the right place and try to screw over the people who do collect with all the love for history and historicall items. I think this guy is just another very bad example of someone who spoils a lot of the fun for many people.It is topics like this and the people here who educate the rest, please keep posting information because i would have gotten me one of those bad ones myself i i didn't knew it from here....Kind regards,Gaston Edited February 1, 2008 by jabnus
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