HeikoGrusdat Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 gentlemen, today I have a very interesting but confusing medal bar for you - unfortunately not on my desk, only the photo of the wearer.....look at this mounting precedence with only 2 prussian awards first (EK2 and Centenarmedal), then a saxon war aid cross followed by a Baden Z?hringer Lion with oakleaves but WITHOUT swords!!! After that a W?rtemberger, a Braunschweiger, Hamburg and Austria...last but not least a turkish Liakat that is added to the bar!!!So, in service 1897 but no long service yet...... a confusing mix of peacetime awards, non-combattant awards and combattant awards....Please give me your comments on the bar, on the mounting of the awards and maybe you have a name for me...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Great example for "Prussian precendence" in connection with "no sense but my style". Very nice photo, unfortunally no name from me but a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS? Major in the Kriegsministerium or General Staff. Maybe from this combination in the Wumba or something like that?Combat awards from Prussia and Brunswick (spectrum shift on the colors, I think-- remmeber dark blue and yellow reverse darkness in these old photos); weird Saxon and W?rttemberg war effort awards...maybe Daniel can ID him from the WilhelmskreuzX and the pre-war BZ3bE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS? Rick, I'm sorry, but ... he doesn't ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 You're right, Two Eyes! Make fun of a poooooor lonnnnnnnely olllllld half bliiiiiind guy who thought the reflection on the crystals was the metal back side and didn't notice the painted castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 If we saw that bar on ebay how many people would say fake/put together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...........it took me some minutes too to find the castle.... backside was my first thought too...I have some more photos of him as younger man and lower ranked soldier, most of the pictures were taken in Nordhausen , Jena and Erfurt..... Th?ringen!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 some more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 and on the reverse of his photos is............................................................his name .............. but I can`t read it 100%his first name is Fritz............but his family name????any specialists in reading our grand-grand-grandfathers writing out there??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 gentlemen, today I have a very interesting but confusing medal bar for you - unfortunately not on my desk, only the photo of the wearer.....look at this mounting precedence with only 2 prussian awards first (EK2 and Centenarmedal), then a saxon war aid cross followed by a Baden Z?hringer Lion with oakleaves but WITHOUT swords!!! After that a W?rtemberger, a Braunschweiger, Hamburg and Austria...last but not least a turkish Liakat that is added to the bar!!!So, in service 1897 but no long service yet...... a confusing mix of peacetime awards, non-combattant awards and combattant awards....Please give me your comments on the bar, on the mounting of the awards and maybe you have a name for me...?! Interesting to finally see a Staff Officer wearng the Saxon War Effort. This reminds me of my Bar that I think to be a Staff Officer's ribbon bar for a Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 "grand-grand-grandfathers writing"ahhhhhhhh, I learned that as a baaaaaaaaaby! HERTZERSekLt 20.5.93Oberlt ernannt 23.3.01 in 1902 from Fortifikation Cuxhaven to the War Academy, final seniority 12.9.02 W3wteacher at Kriegsschule Hersfeld in 1907 mdU PB 15Hptm 20.4.10 Zz PB 14 in 1914 at the Kriegsministerium (am I good, or what? ) Ingenieur-und- Pioniere Abtelung (A6)Major 18.4.15 Z2zcharakterisiert Oberstleutnant aDDaniel will be VERY happy to see this one.His medal bar looks fine to my OLD eye. How about my Man Of Mystery:a Major zD, probably. Nooooooooooooooooooo name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambolini Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) If we saw that bar on ebay how many people would say fake/put together?How true!Regards,Sam Edited January 5, 2008 by sambolini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thank you very much Rick!!! As always great work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS? Major in the Kriegsministerium or General Staff. Maybe from this combination in the Wumba or something like that?Combat awards from Prussia and Brunswick (spectrum shift on the colors, I think-- remmeber dark blue and yellow reverse darkness in these old photos); weird Saxon and W?rttemberg war effort awards...maybe Daniel can ID him from the WilhelmskreuzX and the pre-war BZ3bE.In B&W photos can't tell Kriegsministerium from General Staff? I think the only difference is farben color. Am I correct or way off? I'd like to own a photo like the one is this thread. I have tow Staff major's tunics and am always looking for photos to look at uniform detail. Edited January 5, 2008 by ccj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I can't tell from a photo-- it was the type of awards that were the clue for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I can't tell from a photo-- it was the type of awards that were the clue for me. I like the detail of the Staff collar tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Hi Friends,niiiiice photograph and even nicer that he put his name on the back.I did already some research but did not come closer than to about 10 possible people.Medal bar screams to be War ministry.That "V"-shaped Litzen are definetly "Intelligenzlitzen", means Engineer troops, no General staff or War ministry.His W?rttemberg Wilhelmscross was not published in their Personalnachrichten.Best regardsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dwyer Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 That "V"-shaped Litzen are definetly "Intelligenzlitzen", means Engineer troops, no General staff or War ministry.I'm probably wrong (I usually am), but I thought the General Staff and War Ministry wear the exact same litzen only in gold and Pioneers wore them in silver. A Pioneer officer would have black waffenfarbe and this appears to be a lighter color, indicating one of the staff positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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