China CHINA. WARLORD MEDAL ?

[Veteran]

Hello everyone

Would anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center.

It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.

Information will be gratefully received.

Greetings

Veteran

[GeorgeCL]

The reverse flags are for the pupper state Manchucko.

George

[JBFloyd]

This looks one of many Warlord Period medals and the key will be in the inscription. The missing obverse center probably contained the image of the issuing warlord.

You might look through the OMSA medal data base (http://www.omsa.org/photopost/index.php) to see if anything there matches.

[Hugh]

The reverse flags are for the pupper state Manchucko.

George

Didn't China itself have a similar flag before The Big One? Maybe before 1911 and the KMT takeover?

Hugh

[Ed_Haynes]

Didn't China itself have a similar flag before The Big One? Maybe before 1911 and the KMT takeover?

Hugh

Yes, of course. Adopted later for Manchuguo.

[GeorgeCL]

Manchu flag 1890-1912

Republic of China #1 1912-1928

Republic of China #2 1928-1949

Peoples Republic of China 1949

[Ed_Haynes]

For a little (a lot) more detail, see:

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn.html

and follow the links.

Anyway, back to the medal . . .

It does look familiar, back in the day when I was weaving (parts of) the M&E sales into the OMSA database (as Jeff suggested) . . . .

[Hugh]

For a little (a lot) more detail, see:

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn.html

and follow the links.

Anyway, back to the medal . . .

It does look familiar, back in the day when I was weaving (parts of) the M&E sales into the OMSA database (as Jeff suggested) . . . .

So, just to press the point, is the Manchuguo flag similar to or identical to the ROC # 1 flag?

Hugh

[Veteran]

Thank you very much, this is great. Seems the medal was a warlord's in the 1910-20s.

Too bad the gent's mug is missing then, which I understand is the case. On the other hand, the finish is impressive, a very pleasant looking medal.

Please give us more as it comes to you.

Very best regards to all of you.

Veteran

[fjcp]

Just thought I'd add these to the mix...

I have no idea about either one of these and this one was for sale on the French ebay but the listing was pulled....

Anyway they looked rather similar so perhaps this might help the ID process along..

Cheers

JC

[Elmar Lang]

I think that the missing medallion should bear the portrait of Hsu Shuzang, president of China after 1918, and this should be a merit medal awarded during the 1st Chinese Republic.

Best wishes,

Enzo

[Veteran]

Thanks Enzo, I will gladdly settle for your diagosis. Hopefully, a picture of a complete award will possibly pop up some day.

I am most grateful to all contributors.

Veteran

Edited April 24, 2008 by Veteran

[Richard LaTondre]

Hello everyone

Would anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center.

It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.

Information will be gratefully received.

Greetings

Veteran

Enzo is the closest!

The medal is President Xu ShiChang's Inauguration medal. It should be 56 x 43 mm. The chinese characters read "10 October, the seventh year of the Republic of China, the second president Xu ShiChang Inauguration Commemoration Medal" Issued, I believe, in 1918. The missing ribbon is red with white edge stripes 37mm wide.

The reverse shows the two Republic flags joined by a binding rope at the crossing with six sheaves of wheat. The three Chinese characters at the top denote "Commemorative Medal"

Dick

I would post an image from the Mohler Collection but I have dificulties posting on this website.

[Richard LaTondre]

Hello everyone

Would anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center.

It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.

Information will be gratefully received.

Greetings

Veteran

A Photo of the complete medal may be seen on the OMSA Medal Data Base:

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=5003

[Taz]

Here is a medal with a very similar central design.

However no Id at the mo.

[Richard LaTondre]

Here is a medal with a very similar central design.

However no Id at the mo.

Unfortunately That is a Chinese Communist replica complete with the standard Communist drapery.

[Ed_Haynes]

While the repetitive "political" labels are grossly off-base, it seems surely a modern fake.

Standard e$cam garbage.

Edited April 24, 2008 by Ed_Haynes

[Taz]

Not really much doubt that it is a modern fake, the majority of them are worthless reproductions, if the person and inscription has any resemblence to the original medal or order it may still help to identify the Warlord though.

Any Chinese speakers around?

Regards Eddie.

[paul wood]

Hello everyone

Would anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center.

It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.

Information will be gratefully received.

Greetings

Veteran

It is the Commemorative medal for the Inauguration of President Hsu Shih-Chang, October 1918, unfortunately his portrait has gone AWOL (See ANS 3, lot 130) and is perfectly genuine.

Paul

[Veteran]

Hello Paul

I looked it up in the catalogue, and there it is all right.

Thank you again for your welcome help. Regards

Paul

[usairforce]

This one

[usairforce]

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[Veteran]

Hello usaforce

Thank you very much for these very demonstrative pictures. This medal is absolutely identical to the one I showed, except of course that it is complete and has its ribbon.

I am very grateful

Best regards

Veteran

[usairforce]

Qing Dynasty 1644-1912

[Richard LaTondre]

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Unfortunately, you have reproduced copyrighted images that were lifted from either the OMSA Medal Database site or from my CD of the Harry Mohler collection. These images can only be used when given the proper attribution.

Richard LaTondre