Anatoly13 Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 There is the opinion that this is newmade copy.What do you think or know?
Guest Rick Research Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 Interesting! Is the .925 silver hallmark also fake-- this ISN'T silver?
Lapa Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 It's not enamel! Anatoly,Could it be that the enamel was damaged then replaced?Marc
seb16trs Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 (edited) I find the enamel too "clear", too bright, as so as the gold-plating... but there're the 3 usual mintmarks on the suspension...could the suspension a genuine one? Edited March 15, 2008 by seb16trs
Anatoly13 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Posted March 15, 2008 Gents!I 'm looking on this order and can't understand is it original or not We discussed it on russian forum and without special results. Actually there are two opinions:newmade copy and last emission.Pls look at this picture - suspension is different.
Anatoly13 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Posted March 15, 2008 By the way, Kremnice mint produce awards from CSSR period by now ...for tourists and for collectors So I can't be sure with my Red Banner and need more opinions.
Guest Rick Research Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 "Kremnice mint produce awards from CSSR period by now ...for tourists and for collectors"I don't know anyone who collects REAL Czech... anything on this side of the ocean--so I don't know why anyone would bother to make FAKES. I pick up Academy badges etc (Zukov did VERY nice silver/enamel work) when I can find them, but there has been almost no "action" for Czech awards. I don't know why. They are significant, and well made.But even fewer collectors over here than there are for Cuban items, and that is VERY few people indeed!
seb16trs Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 Anatoly, I suppose you know this page:http://www.vyznamenani.net/CSR/Rad_rude_zastavy.html
Anatoly13 Posted March 16, 2008 Author Posted March 16, 2008 To Rick:I'm sorry , CSSR ODM are very interesting .All Czech awards have the original design and national details - I like it ! I can show some of my favorites here if you want.And I stil hope to find here the professional answer...To Seb:Of course.Pictures are small but if you look on Red Banner order you can easily see diferences
seb16trs Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 To Rick:I'm sorry , CSSR ODM are very interesting .All Czech awards have the original design and national details - I like it ! I can show some of my favorites here if you want.And I stil hope to find here the professional answer...To Seb:Of course.Pictures are small but if you look on Red Banner order you can easily see diferences I find the CSSrcoat-of-arms a bit crude; theoriticaly the czech coinage is fine and smooth...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 I don't think anyone was questioning the potential interest in socialist Czech awards. It is just that (1) very little appears on the market and (2) there are no good sources (in English at least). Now, if there is an active ongoing program of faking, . . .
seb16trs Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) I don't think anyone was questioning the potential interest in socialist Czech awards. It is just that (1) very little appears on the market and (2) there are no good sources (in English at least). Now, if there is an active ongoing program of faking, . . . hello, a poor picture coming from "ceeskoslovenska statni vyznamenani, statni cestna uznani a ceny", by Vladivoj Pulec, SNTL-ALFA, Prague 1980but look at the excellent enamel finishing on the borders... Edited March 16, 2008 by seb16trs
seb16trs Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 I find the CSSrcoat-of-arms a bit crude; theoriticaly the czech coinage is fine and smooth...I looked at my red banner of labour - late number- and it is analogue quality....
Ed_Haynes Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 hello, a poor picture coming from "ceeskoslovenska statni vyznamenani, statni cestna uznani a ceny", by Vladivoj Pulec, SNTL-ALFA, Prague 1980but look at the excellent enamel finishing on the borders...Nice to have a reference for another book I won't be able either to read or to find. But a have a long list of those to look for!
Guest Rick Research Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 Yes-- don't misunderstand-- I LIKE Czech awards as well. Very little can compare to the quality of the Order of the White Lion. But there is no collector INTEREST here in Czech items. So why FAKE items that nobody "wants" as REAL ones?The same is sadly true of People's Republic of China items. ZERO collector interest-- and literally thousands of crude fakes.
Ed_Haynes Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 Nice to have a reference for another book I won't be able either to read or to find. But a have a long list of those to look for! Oh. With the name spelled right I did find it: Ceskoslovenska Statni Vyznamenani, Statni Cestna Uznani a Ceny.
seb16trs Posted March 17, 2008 Posted March 17, 2008 The same is sadly true of People's Republic of China items. ZERO collector interest-- and literally thousands of crude fakes. that's what you believe, but chinese collectors market is now huge, and it seems what they leave to us is only fakes...a little bit off-topic
Ulsterman Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Yes-- don't misunderstand-- I LIKE Czech awards as well. Very little can compare to the quality of the Order of the White Lion. But there is no collector INTEREST here in Czech items. So why FAKE items that nobody "wants" as REAL ones?The same is sadly true of People's Republic of China items. ZERO collector interest-- and literally thousands of crude fakes.Actually I thought that too, especially after visiting our friend with his stuff in Lowell (which I ignored for years), but over the past year I have been quietly trying to gather some decent WW2 "revolt" related items and higher end awards and much to my surprise, bidding on these on eBay has become quite competitive. Despite a lack of reference material, these items are going for three or four times what I had supposed. Sometimes I have been stunned at the final prices.
bolgarin Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 My opinion, that the discussing award is non awarded item from the last period of communism in Chechoslovakia. I saw many orders of lust period and all of them were very bad in quality........
seb16trs Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 My opinion, that the discussing award is non awarded item from the last period of communism in Chechoslovakia. I saw many orders of lust period and all of them were very bad in quality........hello, any news about this order?
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