Imperial and Weimar Republic Medal bar

[KIR]

Gents,

can anyone shed any light on the medal, between the Austrian and the Bulgarian?

(on the medal is in latin written: "Succurre et Spera" = "Help & Hope".)

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Jens

Edited May 25, 2008 by KIR

[KIR]

... upppsss - this one! Sorry!

[hipnos]

... upppsss - this one! Sorry!

It seems to me, IMHO, A sort of red cross/ humanitary medal. The translation is something like: "Soccour and had Hope"

greetings

miguel

[Eric Stahlhut]

hi jens,

i would look towards bulgaria--based on the ribbon. perhaps forum member 'redcross' can be of real help to you. good luck!

[Stogieman]

I would agree.... the ribbon colors do suggest Bulgaria...

[hipnos]

I would agree.... the ribbon colors do suggest Bulgaria...

I think you?re mixing the ribbons with the next medal: a Bulgarian Soldiers Bravery cross (1st or 2nd class)...this had the "Italian/hungarian colours on the ribbon

Greetings

Miguel

[webr55]

I don't think it can be Bulgarian because the letters are Latin, not Kyrillic. The shape of the cross rather suggests Yugoslavia.

[Stogieman]

Don't you think it's really neat when a piece like this pops up that so many of us have never seen before? Almost 100 years later and things still appear that no-one has seen!!

[hipnos]

Don't you think it's really neat when a piece like this pops up that so many of us have never seen before? Almost 100 years later and things still appear that no-one has seen!!

As you can seen a lot of medals/crosses in this bar are of the unofficial type like veteran leagues assoc, etc...(Nrs.: 4,5, 7, 8, 9 & 10) and so on (Crosses from Austria, Germany etc...), so I think this can justify that some of this crosse aren?t see so frequently in a bar.

Miguel

Edited May 29, 2008 by hipnos

[redcross]

It is definetly not a Bulgarian Red Cross medal,

but as to what it is.... I don't have a clue,

other than there are several 'humnitarian'

awards that I have seen, but have not been able

to really document, this is one I hadn't seen before,

and have no idea who issued it, except it was

probably not a red cross organization

which generally either use one of the standard

red cross mottos, or have the word or abbev for

red cross - somewhere on the medal

having said that

I will add there are any number of red cross medals

I've heard of but never seen

and I have no idea how many I've never heard of

[Noor]

Isn't the red cross award from Italy.... "Lilienkreuz" style and also colors of the ribbon looks like that. Text is Latin also, like I understand?

[KIR]

Isn't the red cross award from Italy.... "Lilienkreuz" style and also colors of the ribbon looks like that. Text is Latin also, like I understand?

@Noor: Hi, you have a picture of red cross award from Italy.... "Lilienkreuz"???

I can't found one! Thanx!

http://awards.netdialogue.com/

@all: Gentz, thank you very much for your great support!

Best regards,

Jens

[Noor]

I mean with the "Lilienkreuz" the type of the cross.... not award name . Just like I understand, Italians used same shape of cross for some of they old orders as well.

[KIR]

... ah - ok! I got it!

Thank you!

[Eric Stahlhut]

Well, I initially thought it could be from one of the Italian states as well, so I went through Modena, Parma, Savoy, Sicily, and Tuscany in Werlich's book. And found nothing. Then I looked at Dorling's ribbon chart and the closest match was for the Order of the Star of Italian Solidarity. But the timeline is off, I think.

Since it was nestled next to the last medal on the bar, and the ribbon is very similar to certain Bulgarian order ribbons, I naturally went in that direction.