nesredep Posted December 11, 2008 Posted December 11, 2008 This is a nice one. A Beamte a. K. of a Medium/Elevated career, with the Winterschlacht im Osten ribbon.Many thanks for looking. Hello!Interesting photo. All the bestNesredep
Guest Rick Research Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 Roman-- could you zoom in on the ribbon bar of your "Croat" Oberzahlmeister?That looks to me like the ribbon for the NSDAP 10 years service cross-- and yet he is wearing all the normal insignia of a regular army paymaster! :speechless1:
Roman Slivin Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 Roman-- could you zoom in on the ribbon bar of your "Croat" Oberzahlmeister?That looks to me like the ribbon for the NSDAP 10 years service cross-- and yet he is wearing all the normal insignia of a regular army paymaster! Rick,Is better it is impossible, but I as think, that it NSDAP 10 years service cross.
Paul R Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 That is the first evidence I have seen of Beamte wearing foreign legion insignia! Very nice image!
Guest Rick Research Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 That's perfect, Roman! So he was obviously a "war's duration" reservist, some sort of Nazi uniformed functionary--and yet he is wearing NORMAL career army insignia and not the expected war's duration/Sonderf?hrer insignia!!! :speechless1:
Paul R Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 That's perfect, Roman! So he was obviously a "war's duration" reservist, some sort of Nazi uniformed functionary--and yet he is wearing NORMAL career army insignia and not the expected war's duration/Sonderf?hrer insignia!!! I think that he is more of an Admin Official than a "Specialist for War Duration"(Sonderfuhrer) member. I know that the Heer Sonderfuhrer changed insignia configuration more than once, but I think that they ALWAYS had the blue/gray collars instead of the dark green. Larry would be most able to clear this up.Perhaps he was an interpreter?
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 I think that he is more of an Admin Official than a "Specialist for War Duration"(Sonderfuhrer) member. I know that the Heer Sonderfuhrer changed insignia configuration more than once, but I think that they ALWAYS had the blue/gray collars instead of the dark green. Larry would be most able to clear this up.Perhaps he was an interpreter?HiFirst I apologize for the delay in responding, a mixture of problems on the home front and a large amount of extra hours at work have conspired to drain me of the desire to concentrate. Although he doesn't realize it I owe Paul a great deal in dragging me out of my funk.As far as the insignia I have a couple of hypothesis:First thoughts are he is wearing 39 pattern collar tabs with the grey for Beamte a. K. My example is for the High career however I have seen Medium/Elevated tabs with the light grey nebenfarbe.
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 My second thoughts are that the color of the nebenfarbe looks more white than grey. Now we were all in the forces of one kind of another, and my experience has been that the "wanna bee's' always try to emulate the "regs'". So my thought is a "Party Member" (this would carry some weight) as a paymaster - white nebenfarbe - wearing the more "military" type collar tabs....basicaly beside's the 10 year NSDAP all he has is the DRL Sports badge and what might be a SA sport badge...so basically a "PONTI"Here is a photo of a paymaster, note the shade of the piping on hos collar tabs.
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 So let?s go a step further and really muddy the Beamte a. K. waters. Paul I would kiss you if you were near by.4 photo's he linked me to, initially identified as a Sonderfuhrer but is a Beamte a. K. NCO, spread over from 1939 to 1944.1939Appears as a NCO in the Heer. I am not a uniform expert so I don't know if there should be piping around the collar. However the piping around the boards appears to be black. Could a uniform expert explain the collar tab to me, as they appear to be for infantry to me?
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Now we go to 1943.he is wearing Beamte 1940 regulation Medium/Elevated collar tabs......could be an Officer aspirant, however his forage cap has the black leather strap....with the correct 1940 regulation NCO shoulder boards.... Edited March 3, 2009 by Laurence Strong
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) His medal bar...the best I could do, even the Epsom can only do so much. Any help here appreciated. Edited March 3, 2009 by Laurence Strong
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 I know it's a carppy piccie. I will play with it in the AM, it's getting late. So moving on to 1944 we find him with the same collar tabs, however......he is wearing......regular Heer NCO boards.....with HV devices many thanks for looking and if any one can fill in any more details it is appreciated.
Laurence Strong Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 The backs of the photo's. There is another 1944 photo butit's the same except he is not wearing his cap. Any thoguts on what the word is?
Ulsterman Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 very interesting!It says "March, 1944" (Marz with an umlaut over the a)
Guest Rick Research Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 :Cat-Scratch: Yikeys! that last one is freakish! However there is no mystery to his first photo in post #35. There he is wearing the old, outmoded pattern pointed shoulder straps which were UNpiped. Ranks from Unterfeldwebel down had their numbers or ciphers embroidered in Waffenfarbe, but from Feldwebel up only white metal devices were used-- so no way to tell branch of senior NCO boards when removed from a uniform.That's just the dark green top showing around the Tresse. He was indeed an infantry Feldwebel at that time.
Laurence Strong Posted March 4, 2009 Author Posted March 4, 2009 Thanks Rick The part that kills me is I passed up on some regular looking NCO boards with HV devices thinking at the time that they were setup....
Guest Rick Research Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 So would I have. Maybe at some late stage in the war they decided the fancy-loopy ones weren't worth the expense of making for that level of war's duration official?
Paul R Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 So would I have. Maybe at some late stage in the war they decided the fancy-loopy ones weren't worth the expense of making for that level of war's duration official?Perhaps!! Really cool if that is the case!! What color was the piping on the boards you passed up with the HV?
Laurence Strong Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Hi PaulThat was some time ago and IIRC I never spent much time on it as I thought it had been made up.... Here is a scan of one owned by a member on WAF
Laurence Strong Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Another new on a Hauptmann with the Militarverwaltungs. It is almost impossible to make out the eagle device between the pips Edited March 8, 2009 by Laurence Strong
Paul R Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Another new on a Hauptmann with the Militarverwaltungs. It is almost impossible to make out the eagle device between the pipsSpectacular! :jumping:
Paul R Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Hi PaulThat was some time ago and IIRC I never spent much time on it as I thought it had been made up.... Here is a scan of one owned by a member on WAFInteresting... is there anything in the books actually "authorizing" it? Regardless, it is a very interesting piece!
Laurence Strong Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Another one:Appears to be a Leutnant. And with the High career tabs at that rank, a total lack of swords on his medal bar, and with what appears to be a darker (though not a black or brown) than white, looks like it could be light green which would make him a Feldapotheker Edited March 8, 2009 by Laurence Strong
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