landsknechte Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 This beauty is soon to be joining my collection, courtesy of our good Stogierick:One of 154 Saxe-Weimar White Falcon 1st Classes out there. Thankfully, unlike my other example of this award, it doesn't look like it was pulled off of a sunken U-boat. (I don't have the picture handy, but it gives new meaning to the word "salty".) Hopefully the White Falcon rolls will be published, barring that, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Finnish ribbon might ultimately prove to be the decisive clue. I can't imagine that there would have been that many of the 154 that were over there, had this particular combination of awards, and survived the war.Well, one can hope...--Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 What makes you think it is a first class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hi Andreas, because it has gilt swords. The RK2wX on a ribbon bar will have silver swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hmmm. I would think it is a knight 2nd class. Swords might be outfitters mistake.BTW, I have th brother of Your bar...Best regardsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 What makes you think it is a first class?They looked different in color to me, but...it always helps to see the real thing. Yet, the 1st class was awarded only very scaresly....normally found with some more orders and medals...anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 well, yes, a mistake is always possible.......... but I assumed AOR1wX, SWWA1wX........... I wouldn't blink a bit even if 2. kl. Not too many of those around either.My biggest collecting error. Owning a 1.kl. w. swords and selling it.......... only one I've ever held. Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Good one, Chris. I was thinking about pulling the trigger on that one myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) Hmmm. I would think it is a knight 2nd class. Swords might be outfitters mistake.BTW, I have th brother of Your bar...Best regardsDanielWhat is that ribbon in last place? I can't, for the life of me, place it.Also, can anyone more familiar with the situation in Finland comment as to just how big the German involvement actually was. How big a pool of officers of sufficient rank to net a 1st class would have been over there?--ChrisP.S.Here's the aforementioned salty bar: Edited October 22, 2005 by landsknechte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete A Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 What is that ribbon in last place? I can't, for the life of me, place it.Also, can anyone more familiar with the situation in Finland comment as to just how big the German involvement actually was. How big a pool of officers of sufficient rank to net a 1st class would have been over there?The last ribbon is the 1938 commemorative medal for the conquest of Helsinki.There's a thread going on about German officers in Finland at the central powers awards forum. Maybe the that Looking at the period photos, that particular combination seems to have been pretty usual among the officers of the Saxon karabiniers, but then again, the photos show everyone of them with some sort of cross of liberty too. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) The last ribbon is the 1938 commemorative medal for the conquest of Helsinki.There's a thread going on about German officers in Finland at the central powers awards forum. Maybe the that Looking at the period photos, that particular combination seems to have been pretty usual among the officers of the Saxon karabiniers, but then again, the photos show everyone of them with some sort of cross of liberty too. PeteSo far, from what Rick's posted, it looks like Rittmeister Ehrenkrook is the only one from that unit that got the White Falcon (of either grade) and survived long enough to have gotten the Hindenburg Cross. The other two were dead before 1934. Are there any pictures of him in particular?Thanks,--Chris Edited October 22, 2005 by landsknechte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete A Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 So far, from what Rick's posted, it looks like Rittmeister Ehrenkrook is the only one from that unit that got the White Falcon (of either grade) and survived long enough to have gotten the Hindenburg Cross. The other two were dead before 1934. Are there any pictures of him in particular?Thanks,--ChrisSorry, can't find a picture of him, but he was pretty much in the heat of the action, so I'd expect him to have a cross of liberty of some sort.Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Sorry, can't find a picture of him, but he was pretty much in the heat of the action, so I'd expect him to have a cross of liberty of some sort.PeteRight now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that something comes out of Rick looking through the names of the Naval personnel that you posted in that other thread. --Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hi Chris, you should probably print those lists out and save them... then you can comb through them too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 Hi Chris, you should probably print those lists out and save them... then you can comb through them too!This is precisely the sort of resource I love to keep on tap. However, without any ranklists at my disposal, I don't really have a brush to comb with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Hi Chris, that's easily resolved by picking up one of Paul's CD's! ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 I've been spending my spare time recently lighting incense and chanting incoherently to the ranklist gods in hope that the White Falcon rolls will be published in my lifetime. That would probably lead to two easy IDs right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 My only ribbon bar with SF3aX ribbon (White Falcon 1st class with swords). This ribbon bar has been identified by Rick L. RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 As always Christophe.... a fabulous addition to the discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 25, 2005 Author Share Posted October 25, 2005 As always Christophe, your ribbon bars leave me drooling. Perhaps I ought to drop the second "r" from my name. I think that's the source of my bad luck. --Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted October 25, 2005 Author Share Posted October 25, 2005 (edited) Finally got the bar in hand... The swords on the White Falcon are silver. Granted they're a little bit on the yellowish side of silver, but compared to how downright yellow the swords on the Albrechtorden and the Hindenburg Cross are - I'm convinced that it's supposed to be a Knight 2nd Class. (How many of the SWF-R2 were there? I only retained the number of the SWF-R1 in my head.)The bar with the Helsinki ribbon might indeed be a close relative. :-)Edit: Attached a better pic. Edited October 26, 2005 by landsknechte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Hi Chris, White Falcon 1st class with X : 190White Falcon 2nd class with X : 633RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 mmmmmm, White Falcons.... mmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 A remarkable bar Christophe. Thanks for showing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I have a rather interesting photo of a White Falcon being worn by an ex-WW1 Observer. Photo is actually dated and mailed as a postcard. I'll try and get a scan up later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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