Stogieman Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Not often I get to say "that'a a first".... never seen this cased and boxed. Can't remember ever seeing more than 3 real ones before. A good set of pix to save. :ots of copies out there. This one went 1580- Euro.
NavalMark Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Nice case, nice box, but the cross do not match. It is different to those kind of crosses made by the Berliner M?nze. I would expect such an awarded piece in this case. And because of this "exchange" i also worry about the box ............ no problem to change the label from an EK-1st-class-box ........... and no problem to print out the label if i have a box for the Red-Cross 3rd class .............. bad thoughts, but not impossible .............RegardsNavalMark
RAO Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 I think that the case is a beautiful original. Unfortunately, the cross is a copy, it doesn?t correspond to the stamp picture of the original stamp. I can?t say anything to the "Umkarton" but a manipulation is indeed very simple here of course.Regards Mike
Motorhead Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Mike,could you post apicture of that stamp? Impossible to find a picture of a "good" one in the net....Also the pictures in the big Nimmergut are not very helpful! Micha
Stogieman Posted July 23, 2008 Author Posted July 23, 2008 Well if it's a botch-job, somebody just paid a heck of a lot of Euros for it. I like the cross and the enamel work as well as the underlay. it's certainly not the Godet example commonly accepted as original, but beyond that.... I simply have no experience with the piece and thought it should be brought forward. I can offer no other images for review, these were all culled off of the eBay listing.
RAO Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) Here my original Cross and Case! ;o) Best Regards, Mike Edited July 23, 2008 by RAO
Motorhead Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Thanks,Mike-now I can clearly see the differences! A wonderful piece......Micha
Paul R Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 Not often I get to say "that'a a first".... never seen this cased and boxed. Can't remember ever seeing more than 3 real ones before. A good set of pix to save. :ots of copies out there. This one went 1580- Euro.This is the first one I have ever seen! I have always wondered what these looked like. How many were awarded? I have a feeling that the price paid for this award is un-representative to it's overall rarity.
Paul R Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 I think there were fewer than 200. Regards MikeThanks Mike! Rarer than I thought! I bet that only a fraction of that remain today. Does anyone have a photograph of it being worn?
Paul R Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Yes, I can show this today evening here. Regards MikeThank you!! I Will look forward to it!
Ferg1 Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Maybe my eyesight is getting bad but I have blown up the pictures of both badges and they look identical to me. The reverses look the same too . Can someone show me the difference? Ferg1
NavalMark Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Two important points you can recognize always from distance:1.) awarded pieces never have cut-out crosses on the crowns !2.) awarded pieces habe gilted crowns but the cross is silver !RegardsNavalMark
Stogieman Posted July 24, 2008 Author Posted July 24, 2008 OK, very much enjoying this session of knowledge. I see a distinct lack of quality of finishing edges on the reverse of the eBay example. But after that..... they still look pretty darn close. You can distinctly see gilding on Mike's (beautiful) example. But in the eBay pix.... looks to me like there's gilding on a couple of those crowns as well. One thing I have learned from all my handling of fire-gilt navy pilot/observer badges is that the gilding is sometimes almost impossible to capture in a photo.....
RAO Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Two important points you can recognize always from distance:1.) awarded pieces never have cut-out crosses on the crowns !2.) awarded pieces habe gilted crowns but the cross is silver !RegardsNavalMarkThat?s right, but the most important thing is the corners between the crowns and the cross. Unfortunately, my English is so bad but I have to Mot?rhead (Micha) german explains, perhaps he can better write waht I mine. The cross of Ebay fit by the form in the stamp im Berliner M?nzkabinett im Bode Museum. Best Regards Mike
RAO Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Here two Pics from Generalstabsarzt v. Schjerning and v. Schultzen and I say thanx to my Friends Komtur and Daniel Krause. Best Regards Mike
jaba1914 Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I found this cross link. I think this is the same like the one from ebay but the pictures are better. Now can someone show whats wrong with this to crosses.RegardsAlex
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