Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Whilst i am really trying to get away from much of this, I still can't resist the occasional ultra-rare photograph... This Saxon J?ger Officer is wearing a St. Henry Medal (Other Ranks, 1870/71??) AND an Albert Order Officer's Cross! The photo dates ca. 1895-1896, due to the lack of Centennial Medal!Who is he??Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Author Share Posted October 21, 2005 So, our man has:Sax-Ernestine House Order, Commander??? Commander GradeAlbert Order, Officer's CrossPrussian 1870 EK2 w. Jubilee Spange (1895)Saxon Saint Henry Medal (unknown grade at this point)Prussian Red Eagle Order, 3.kl.Prussian Order of The Crown, 3.kl. (?? 4.??)Saxon Officer's 25-Year LS CrossPrussian KDM 1870/71 w. 5 bars!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Could the second commander badge be a Bavarian MVO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Author Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hi Andreas. That's possible, I won't be able to tell until it arrives. I was leaning towards reuss or Lippe though based on the side-view of the center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 What, no challenged people out there?????? Anybody recognize this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 This is what I call a "snapshot in time" photo. We know it is 1895-- "25" jubilee oakleaves on the 1870 EK2. We know that it is NOT 1897-- no Wilhelm I Centenary Medal. Bingo, as specified, unquestionably 1895 to 1897 as the "window" during which this was taken.BUT... anybody who zoomed from Officer Candidate in 1870 to Oberstleutnant (if not Oberst) from that Albert-Officer was1) NOT your average plain old "just hoping to be made major soon" and2) NOT a "Royal" Royal, at least of the lounge lizard variety-- this guy WORKED his way up with "mortal" awards...but at faster than normal mortal speed for those draaaaaaaaagging promotion times.I have the feeling, unless he just dropped dead, as people did then of things we take a pill for now, his career was far from finished.So if I were to peruse the 1909 Saxon Rank List (the earliest one I've got) he would have UPPED most of those Orders and had Red Eagle 2nd and so on and on, and would be--probably-- a retired General with many more and different grade awards than are shown here. He can be found in 35 seconds from a Saxon Rank List 1895-97: don't even have to wade through the infantry: he is in one of TWO J?ger batatlions, on one of two pages. Two pages in three issues... boom, you'd have him. THEN we could track his before and after.But that requires a Rank List from THEN.He COULD also be in the Sch?tzen Regiment-- you'd better uncrop and show the shako I seem to recall he was holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 These Saxon Jagers are a mysterious lot! As you know there is one I would really like to identify...someday...someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Anybody sitting on a 1895-1898 Saxon Rangliste, Bitte? Here's the full foto: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hey!!! I just noticed, this guy in germany has stolen my backdrop for fotos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Nawwwwwwwww, Stogieman! The picture border lacks the hallmark texture of Astro Turf which ought to be renamed StogieTurf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 So, you think the little "X" in the lower left corner means he's dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Tahe your pick - from 1895. Don't forget the shortlived J?ger-Bataillon Nr. 15!RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 And Sch?tzen-Regiment Nr. 108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy B Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 And Sch?tzen-Regiment Nr. 108As I am still not able to access this forum from my computer at home, I could not post it early this morning, instead, I had to wait until lunchtime to use the one at work. The scans Glenn sent are from the 1895 Rangliste (which dates to late Dec 1894). Consequently, the photo's subject is not listed, but shows up in 1896. The subject of this fine photograph is Hans von Carlowitz (02.11.1849-22.03.04). His career highlights:22.03.02 zur Disposition25.02.01-22.03.02 Kom. 64. Inf. Brig.(can't find date of promotion to Gen.Maj.)28.03.99-25.02.01 Chef d. s?chs. Gen. St.17.04.98-28.03.99 Chef d. Gen. St. d. XII. AK24.03.97-14.04.98 Kom. Gren. R. 10024.03.97 Oberst30.03.95-24.03.97 Kom. J?g. B. 1222.03.94 Oberstlt.22.09.90 Major1884 zum Gen. St. versetzt17.09.82 Hptm.22.05.76 Prem.Lt.1873 Adj. d. J?g. B. 1207.10.70 Sek.Lt. in J?g. B. 12His orders in 1896:St. Heinrichs silberene Milit?r Verdienst MedailleAlbrechts Orden, OffizierskreuzDiesntauszeichnungskreuzBavarian Verdienst Orden, KomthurkreuzPRA4PK3EKIISEHC2I can't find a reason for his early retirement, though perhaps it was due to poor health, as he died two year to the day after retiring, and just 54 years old. You would think that a Chief of the General Staff would rise higher than a brigade commander!As Glenn mentioned, from 01.04.87-01.04.00 there were three Saxon J?ger battalions. The third, Nr. 15, was incorporated into IR 181 when it was raised on 01.04.00.Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Andy,Thank you for posting his interesting career. It's incredible, because when I first looked at this photograph and saw this officer, I thought that he couldn't have been living very long after the picture. I noticed that he looked very tired (look around his eyes), as if he was already quite worn out or sick by the time the picture was taken.Sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Nice one Andy,here is Hans von Carlowitz's entry in the 1895 edition whilst serving as a Fl?gel-Adjutant to the King of Saxony.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Great job Andy and Glenn!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 Thanks Andy! Thanks Glen! I owe you each a cigar! A sad conclusion to what was a promising military career, but he is "nameless" no more!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 Thanks again guys, I've printed out this entire thread so this question will never be asked again (about the one guy anyway! ;>) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 In from Germany and some nicer photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Rick R surmised this as a proof..... the paper is almost nothing! A little closer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 And, up close in personal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Notice the typical color inversion we see with a Saint Henry Ribbon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 At long last I found the date of his promotion to Generalmajor:19 April 1901 - the same day he took over permanent command of the 64. Infanterie-Brigade. He had been the acting commander of the brigade (Mit der F?hrung beauftragt) since the 25th of February 1901.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 Wow Glen. Thanks!!! Nice when we can bring some "life" back into these photos. Not many General-Majors with a Saint Henry Medal would be my guess. Talk about "up through the ranks"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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