dond Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Two Saxe-Meinegen awards. What is the difference between the two?thanksDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 The other side since I'm clueless as to front and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 The other award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) Hi Don,The first (medal) was awarded EM and NCOs and the second (cross with crown) to officer... for war merit.Ciao,Claudio Edited October 22, 2005 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Thanks Claudio. Is there a first class version of this award?Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 The "B" for Bernhard goes on front. These were "it" outside the grades of the Saxe Ernestine House Order. These two were specially created for WW1.Here's a variant award document for the officer's version:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Don,This is a late war Zinc version of the Officers' cross. There wasn't a so called "Steckkreuz" or 1st class decoration to be worn on the pocket.Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Thanks guys. Now to find a ribbon for the officer's award.Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) The proper names are the Cross for Merit in War (Kreuz f?r Verdienste im Kriege), which is the officer's version, and the Medal for Merit in War (Medaille f?r Verdienste im Kriege), which is the enlisted version, both established on March 7, 1915. There were 4,653 of the Cross and 24,038 awards of the Medal during the war.As Rick mentioned, the Ducal Saxe-Ernestine House Order would be the other award the duke could confer. A lieutenant might get the Knight 2nd Class with swords as his next award after the Cross for Merit in War.The Cross for Merit in War on a medal bar: The Medal for Merit in War on a medal bar: Some more information on my Saxe-Meiningen awards page here: http://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals/saxemeiningen.htm Edited October 23, 2005 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Technically, I guess, if I'm going to be a stickler for "proper" names, they are the Cross and Medal for Merits in War (unless in 1915 a masculine accusative took an "-e" like a dative). I think I need to fix my page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Thanks for the link and the info, including the conjugation in German lesson Dave.Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Nice bars David. I always enjoy seeing the Bulgarian awards in German Officer Groups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Gentlemen,In an effort to round this discussion out a bit, I would mention that there was also an Orden f?r Verdienste von Frauen und Jungfrauen in der Kriegf?rsorge which was, in appearance virtually identical to the officer?s version, shown above; but, as near as I can figure it, about one half the size. These were worn on the noncombatant ribbon, configured as a bow; and, of course, are quite rare.I hope that this information is helpful.Regards,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Wild Card, Are you speaking of this award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) Here's my brother's small bar with a Sachsen-Meiningen Kreuz f?r Verdienste im Kriege in Bronze...Ciao,Claudio Edited October 23, 2005 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) ... and here a more impressive bar of a member of the ruler's family in Sachsen-Meiningen!Ordenschnalle des Prinzen Georg von Sachsen-Meiningen• Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 2.Klasse (OEK 1909)• Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer (OEK 3803), ohne Hersteller• Sachsen-Meiningen, Ehrenzeichen f?r Verdienste im Kriege, 1915-18 am K?mpferband (OEK 2717)• Sachsen-K?nigreich, Albrecht-Orden, RK 2. Kl. mit Schwertern (OEK 2212)• Bayern, Milit?r-Verdienstorden, Kreuz 4. Klasse mit Schwertern (OEK 410)• Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Milit?rverdienstkreuz 2.Kl. am K?mpferband (OEK 1352)• Schaumburg-Lippe, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1914-18, am K?mpferband (OEK 1190)• Osmanisches Reich (T?rkei), kleine goldene Liakat-medaille mit S?belspangeResearch Rick Lundstr?m:Leutnant 11.10.1908 Oberleutnant 25.02.1915 M26m Rittmeister 27.01.1918 A4a theoretically in Hussar Regt 16 and ? la Suite of Inf Rgt 95.Rittmeister/Hauptmann aD Like his wandering father, apparently no actual regimental service. SA3bX 20.10.14 as Lt, no unit The 1917 Almanch de Gotha Hofkalendar has him as "kdt. z. Gen. Kdo. G. Res. Kps." Georg Of The One Name married in Freiburg im Breisgau 1919 Klara-Maria Gr?fin von Korff genannt Schmissing-Kerssenbrock (31.5.95-10.2.92) and they had FOUR children 1) Anton Ulrich, born 1919 killed in France 1940 2) Friedrich-Alfred (1921-1997) who was a monk (so must have switched to Catholic) 3) Marie Elisabeth (1922-1923) and 4) Regina Helene Elisabeth Margarete, born W?rzburg 6 January 1925, married Prinzen Georg von Sachsen-Meiningenin Nancy 10 May 1951 some guy named Otto Hapsburg (b. Villa Wertholz 20 November 1912).Oh, yeah-- he'd be Emperor of Austria-Hungary (if there was one).And back to poor Georg Of The One Name:HE died in a Soviet POW Camp at Tschernpovetz 6 January 1946. Edited October 23, 2005 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Claudio! What a bar!It never ceases to amaze me how the plain old Hindenburg cross gets moved around on a medal bar....this guy must have taken Hitlers drean seriously...Thanks for showing! Spectacular!Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) To further flesh things out for my first bar, and add a little mystery, here are the accompanying miniatures and an early ribbon bar:Note that the recipient is a Bavarian but he received Prussian and Saxe-Meiningen wartime awards before the one from his home state. Edited October 23, 2005 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Note the ciphers on the military awards are "B"s for Duke Bernhard, but on the women's award it is three interlocking "C"s. I have no idea why they interlock, but the C should be for Charlotte, Duchess of Saxe-Meiningen, Kaiser Wilhelm II's sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Wild Card, Are you speaking of this award? Yes, Claudio, that?s the one; and that?s a very nice example you have there - thank you for showing it. Dave, I had forgotten about the different monogram, Your assumption is correct in that, according to Hessenthal/Schreiber, this decoration was founded by Duchess Charlotte who was acting as regent on 3 March 1915 while the Duke was serving in the field.Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Excellent history, background and details gentlemen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Great decorations, great bar's at all - congratulations to all of you ... In an effort to round this discussion out a bit, I would mention that there was also an Orden f?r Verdienste von Frauen und Jungfrauen in der Kriegf?rsorge which was, in appearance virtually identical to the officer?s version, shown above; but, as near as I can figure it, about one half the size. These were worn on the noncombatant ribbon, configured as a bow; and, of course, are quite rare.Has anyone the awarding numbers of the lady's version? I have also one of these nice crosses, and also two award documents for sisters. Only one pictured, as the other one does actually look the same (but naturally, with another name), even with the same awarding number in the left corner !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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