censlenov Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Can anyone give me a valuation for a 2nd type 4th class Order of Red Eagle with Swords?CheersChris
VtwinVince Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Is it loose or on a bar? Which maker is it from?
RAO Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Depending upon preservation a price between 750 and 1250 Euro is normal. Greeting Mike
NavalMark Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 2nd type with swords ? Thats the one with the violet eagle, while the 1st type is the one with non-enameled medaillon. So you mean the 3rd type from 1854-1879 with smooth arms and brick-red eagle ? For this type RAOs prices are correct ! RegardsCSForrester
RAO Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 I mean the type of 1879 - 1918 with grained arms. A cross with smooth arms and swords, I would rate higher. Greeting Mike
Alex K Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 (edited) I mean the type of 1879 - 1918 with grained arms. A cross with smooth arms and swords, I would rate higher. Greeting MikeSorry to jump in here, but are you saying that the attached little midget made by Hossaur is worth +1250 Euro? regardsAlexOops sorry didn't notice the bit with swords, still do these things command such a high price without swords? Edited August 26, 2008 by Alex K
VtwinVince Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Alex, the second type with smooth arms is becoming scarce, prices are usually in the 4-500.00 USD range for these now. But you have to watch out for some good fakes.
Alex K Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 (edited) Alex, the second type with smooth arms is becoming scarce, prices are usually in the 4-500.00 USD range for these now. But you have to watch out for some good fakes.Thanks for the info. this particular piece has been in my collection for a good number of years, it is stamped with the makers mark on the base of the lower arm, it does appear to be a double mis-stamping. paid 16GBP for itregardsAlex Edited August 26, 2008 by Alex K
NavalMark Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 (edited) Hello Alex,as mentioned above, there are 4 period variants of the red eagle order 4th class:1. 1830-1846 cross with smooth arms, completly silver, no enameled medaillon2. 1846-end of 1850th cross with smooth arms, enameled medaillon and violet eagle !!!! 3. end of 1850th - 1879 cross with smooth arms, enameled medaillon and brickred eagle !!!!4. 1879-1918 cross with grained arms, enameled medaillon and brickred eagleHossauers Jewelry worked until the mid 1850 years and was then sold to Wilm i think. So your 4th class is the real second type and much rarer than the 3rd type with brickred eagle. And it is an original.RegardsCSForrester Edited August 27, 2008 by NavalMark
Alex K Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Hello Alex,as mentioned above, there are 4 period variants of the red eagle order 4th class:1. 1830-1846 cross with smooth arms, completly silver, no enameled medaillon2. 1846-end of 1850th cross with smooth arms, enameled medaillon and violet eagle !!!! 3. end of 1850th - 1879 cross with smooth arms, enameled medaillon and brickred eagle !!!!4. 1879-1918 cross with grained arms, enameled medaillon and brickred eagleHossauers Jewelry worked until the mid 1850 years and was then sold to Wilm i think. So your 4th class is the real second type and much rarer than the 3rd type with brickred eagle. And it is an original.RegardsCSForresterThanks for the info, most interesting.regardsAlex
Wild Card Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Hello Alex K,If you rotate your picture in post #8 by 180 degrees, the ?OSS?, ?U? and ?R? of Hossauer are fairly legible.Regards,Wild Card
NavalMark Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 To compare:here is the HOSSAUER mark on my 4th class model 1846-1854.RegardsCSForrester
Alex K Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 To compare:here is the HOSSAUER mark on my 4th class model 1846-1854.RegardsCSForresterTrust me to get it upside down!thanksregardsAlex
Komtur Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 To compare:here is the HOSSAUER mark on my 4th class model 1846-1854.RegardsCSForresterHow different these marks can be! HOSSAUER on the same class and model.Regards, Komtur.
Alex K Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 How different these marks can be! HOSSAUER on the same class and model.Regards, Komtur.That looks as difficult to read as mine Alex
medalnet Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 If you like to read more about Hossauer:http://www.medalnet.net/Hossauere.htm
Alex K Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 If you like to read more about Hossauer:http://www.medalnet.net/Hossauere.htmHi Excellent site, found it a while back by accident, congrats, very informativeregardsAlex
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