Noor Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Hello all and happy new year!Here is my 2009 first arrival! Pretty nice 11 place Bavarian ribbon bar with the 40 years LS device. Like I know this one is impossible to track down . Just how many those 40 years devices is around at all and what this bar can "tell" us about the owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 :jumping: OOOOHHHH!!! That's a VERY nice bar Timo!!! That's the 1st 40yr device that I've ever seen. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Ah, that bar has been around and around. I suspect some sort of Beamter. No device on the Austro-Hungarian "bravery" war awards ribbon usually indicates something like a Franz Joseph Order or a Merit Cross... cannot tell whether this fellow was an unusually well decorated NCO in the first war and a very old Oberleutnant level military official in the second orrrrr.... some sort of odd specialist officer like Johannes Freye here-- 10 years in grade as Oberst!Like Freye, I know that my "40" was an officer (WM3) but I can't find MINE either, yet, so don't feel bad! Other than Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, most "40" recipients were fairly low level military administrative officials. Some were overaged low ranking Generals who had been in some sort of side-lined no promotions job like Freye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 6, 2009 Author Share Posted January 6, 2009 Thanks Rick for the first class information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 I wish all the 2009 comes like it had been started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 God, doesn't anybody KEEP things any more? THAT one has been around and around too.Luckily it is SO easy to find with a Reichsheer Ranklist...say that 1924 reprint printed last year which is the key to all Imperial-Weimar-Wehrmacht groups. AMAZING how easy this is with a basic, fundamental, essential home reference library. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thanks Rick for your comment........ General Heinrich H?ring Now, today`s arrival. 9 place ribbon bar. I must say.... catch bothers me and the pin. ANY comments would be helpfull and much apriciated. Over the weekend I can post better pictures if nessesary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Well, since THAT Travelin' Bar passed through my very own Schloss not too long ago* on an unfortunately timed Traveling Museum visit (when I was computerless and so scanner-less for routine mechanical problem repair)...it IS a Very Small World, after all...the catch is funny looking, but it was struck through the backing plate and not one of the Frankenstein solder-jobs. You can feel the indentation from where it was stamped out. The backing plate itself is thinner than usual... so the thinner pin seems to fit with whoever the unknown maker of this type "budget" backing was.For instance--it took me a few years to realize that the weird silver Bakelite type plastic backed tabbies were actually real, some years back. Yours is also a style of backing plate I haven't seen before...but not weird enough to make anything of that.Eventually one like yours will wash up here to stay and I'll have more time for Ribbon Bar Forensics.* absorb the Magic Ricky Karma.... Ommmmmmmmmm :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thanks Rick again! Like you said as well.... pin, catch and the plate is different then usually we see (especially I have seen - "greenhorn", like I am) so, I just started thinking and wanted to be sure .Almost every day I learn something more and today was definately one of them! Thank you for your advise again!EPSON is soon on the way to my house.... will start providing better pictures as well then :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I still absolutely do not like the bar from #7 as I felt and said before, just some weeks ago. Right backing plate is not enough, there might be fake bars on real backing plates... do the ribbons glow? They almost do without black light... ;o( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 Here is my second bar with the 40 years of Long Service device - EK2 (Eisernes Kreuz 2 klasse) - Württemberg Merit Cross with Swords (Verdienstkreuz mit Schwertern) - Honour Cross for Combatants (Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer) - Silesian Eagle (Schleischer Adler 2 klasse) - 40 years Long Service Cross (Treue Diesnste in der Wehrmacht) - 12 years Long Service medal (Treue Diesnste in der Wehrmacht) - Hungary Commemorative medal for combatants - Bulgaria Commemorative Medal for the War of 1915-1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 That is a perfect example of the usual sort of Wehrmacht 40 recipient-- an ex-career NCO who in his early 60s has hit the career glass ceiling at military official level of an Oberleutnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hunter Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I would just like to say; Great Bars Timo! Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Hi Timo, Apparently I made a bad call on this one: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=392453 Perhaps you can direct me to a thread with the precedence of German decorations, my assumption was made based on this ribbon bar. Also, how do I differentiate the two green bars with white stripes? My coloursight is a bit off, so is it the silvered swords? cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Here is my second bar with the 40 years of Long Service device - EK2 (Eisernes Kreuz 2 klasse) - Württemberg Merit Cross with Swords (Verdienstkreuz mit Schwertern) - Honour Cross for Combatants (Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer) - Silesian Eagle (Schleischer Adler 2 klasse) - 40 years Long Service Cross (Treue Diesnste in der Wehrmacht) - 12 years Long Service medal (Treue Diesnste in der Wehrmacht) - Hungary Commemorative medal for combatants - Bulgaria Commemorative Medal for the War of 1915-1918 Hi Timo! Your württemberg'sche Ribbon bar with the 40 years LS award is exactly matching my medal bar... also the dealer's label "Sedlatzek"... I am ready to purchase it from to re-unite it with my bigger brother.... ;-) Let me know if you are willing to let it go... Ciao, Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 god kväll Peter! I am not an expert as well but on the bar, what we was discussed on the WAF( ), Albert order makes sence in this place. You should post the picture of that bar here, if you ask promisin from the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Good evening Timo I assumed the position would be the logical reason for your response, just needed to make sure there weren't any other specifics for evaluation available. Still I can't find that precedence list I know is published on this forum. Since this forum is already polluted, which of them do you prefer :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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