USA Ribbon Bars

[Noor]

Jeepers!!!

Noor-where did you get THAT????

I just found them

Thank you all for information and help! I kind a like US WW1 period bars already. Maybe must be hoover more,still missing something named

[Noor]

More US bars arrived.

Old WW1 vet who entered to the second war as well.... with nice ribbans

[Noor]

And my first named US bar is not bad as well

[Noor]

This kind a pin lock systems I haven't seen before on the US bars. Only similar one pin what I have is on pre-Castro period Cuba ribbon bar.

[Ulsterman]

huh! VERY interesting-esp. the one with the BWM.

What are McKay's lower bar ribbons? I recognize the French war medal and the Verdun medal-but the others?

[Noor]

I don't know much about US ribbons but as far I heared, there is some unofficial George Studley campaign ribbons.

[Noor]

Here is one another information piece from WAF member Gary B (last named set):

I am not sure of you are aware of this but the German Occupation ribbon bar on this mounting is the very rare version with the wavy edges. It was only issued for a few months. It was replaced by a version with straight edges. This is only the 1st bar I have ever seen with this ribbon mounted on it. I have only seen a few of these ribbons in general.

So, I can call those US bars find of the week I quess

[Noor]

Here is some of my new US bars what RickR actually helped to ID but if someone can add something extra, it would be always nice for learning purposes.

It is sometimes great to get some new bars without knowing what they are. Like I said before - US bars are something very new to me, so actually I was thinking more about Polish and Greece with those items (don't ask why ). Anyway, turned out (thank you Rick again!) that I have now:

1. WW1 Victory, Haiti for USN or USMC - from position for 1919/20, Foreign Order (Italian St. Maurice and Lazarus?), Foreign Order (French Legion of Honor?)

2. Navy Cross, Navy Distinguished Service Medal, Philippine Campaign 1899-1906

3. US: Haiti (would have to be for 1919/20 with no WW1 Victory), 2nd Nicaragua 1926-33

[Noor]

reverse

[Noor]

More US bars arrived today! I must say that they are really nice looking ones!

1. Navy good Conduct- WW1 missing star and Mexican service ( Pre ww1 service)

2. Old Marine bar. Probably put together in 40s?

3. Philippine Campaign, Mexican Service, ????

4. I need help with that one

5. And my favorite oldest US bar what I have now!!! - Philippines 1898, War With Spain 1898, Philippine Congressional 1899+

Edited September 28, 2009 by Noor

[Noor]

reverses

[Guest Rick Research]

Aha. Recognized the last one of these since my great-uncle John the Colonel had one.

From the OUTSTANDING Gregory W. Ogletree's 1988 "Awards & Decorations of U.S. State Military Forces," Patriot Press, Vandenberg Air Force Base, CA which has glorious full color ribbon charts--

The medals themselves were issued serial numbered. Ogletree said some 8,XXX Mexican Border, "many thousands" Aqueduct which required assigned duty as guards, not simply being in the army in New York state which is why great-uncle John didn't get one. This row would have been worn under national, official ribbons in New York National Guard uniform between the wars.

[Noor]

I wanted to answer yesterday but GMIC started doing some tricks here .

Anyway, those bars will be now my favorite US items what I have.

Thank you Rick again for your super fast replay! Do you ever sleep???

Edited September 29, 2009 by Noor

[Guest Rick Research]

Yes, but when I sleep I... dream. :whistle:

[Ulsterman]

ribbon bar #3, ribbon 3 is almost certainly a town or county WW1 service medal of some sort.

The red/white/blue ribbon was very,very popular for local awards.

[Gldank]

The top center red ribbon is the British Military Order of Bath. I have a senior US General Group that has the same ribbon. With the LOH next to it, it all makes sence.

Three small bars from US again . Is it correct:

1. A high ranking officer last bar on the row- China Relief 1901, unknown foreign award, French legion of honor -commander

2. Nicaraguan campaign - 1912- Mexican campaign-1911-1913- Mexican boarder-1916-1917 old bar- the Mexican campaign ribbon a bit off color due to minor staining

3. Navy good conduct and vicory ribbon

[Noor]

Thanks James,

That is great info

Here is my new bars...

First group of three row set

[Noor]

Nice bar with some State awards (2nd and 3rd).

[Noor]

Smaller bar but very interesting system on the reverse!

[Noor]

And most interesting and oldest US bar what I have. FIRST Type of US bar with metall loops on the reverse! Can't get better one I quess if of course there isn't anything around for very very old Civil war vet!

[Guest Rick Research]

The last ribbon on the bar in post #43 is the veterans "Military Order of the Serpent,"

founded 1 January 1904 "to maintain a secret and social Society to perpetuate the memories of the war with Spain, the incident struggle in the Philippines, the China Relief Expedition... to more firmly establish good fellowship among the comrades of the United Spanish War Veterans" association.

"Limited to members of the United Spanish War Veterans, in good standing in that body."

Quotes and scan of badge

from Bailey, Banks & Biddle catalog of the badges they made in 1917. (Very tastefully, they don't mention prices... )

I am old enough, God bless me , to remember United Spanish War Veterans-- but apparently none of the ones I knew were in "good standing" because I've never seen this badge before!!!

The United Spanish War Veterans ribbons are normally quite fussy, and mostly represent an American flag (too similar to the original ribbon of the Medal of Honor). The tricolor here by itself would be hopeless as the boringly generic design used on literally thousands of private/souvenir type medals BUT the very distinctive edges here and its "situation" between the REAL Spanish-American War Medal and the "Serpent" indicate that the middle ribbon there was for the National Association of Spanish American War Veterans. They apparently preceded the United bunch and were absorbed by them-- because the central design of their organizational medals was used throughout.

Man, you are in a time warp and it is 1967 or so with these antique obscurities....

[Noor]

Thanks Rick for the information! Very interesting bar in this case indeed and I love that bar pin system - it is one of the best what I have seen on pre WW2 bars! Of course I haven't seen all but in my small collection it is great one!

Also this two place bar screws are something what I haven't seen before and of course first type US single bar is something what made my day!

Here is two more (can't be set????)

Edited October 26, 2009 by Noor

[Guest Rick Research]

If the backs match, sure-- why not?

VERY hard to find 1st type ribbon for the post-WW1 Occupation Medal.

[Noor]

Reverses looks same WW2 period system.

(It wasn't so hard to find them if you have good source .... new member of this forum as well )

[FrontlineAntiques]

More US bars arrived.

Old WW1 vet who entered to the second war as well.... with nice ribbans

Very interesting bar - BWM and TFEM

Dan