EK 1914 1914 EK 1...

[joe campbell]

for your consideration:

a recent trade brought this one into my fold.

this is a cased 1914 EK 1, highly vaulted, and

of high silver content, although the percent silver

is not marked.

there is a relatively small amount of wear, with

the condition of the paint being excellent.

obverse.

[joe campbell]

the reverse is notable for several reasons.

first, there appears to be a lacquer-like substance which

still remains on some areas of the back and in the

recesses of the maker mark.

next, the maker itself. it is marked

J H WERNER below the hinge,

and

BERLIN above the catch.

these are the deepest, widest MM's

i've seen in quite a while.

i have seen this maker mark on maker mark lists,

but have never even seen a picture of one. if anyone

knows of any references with pix/info, please let me know.

thanks,

joe

[joe campbell]

finally, a zoomie of the MM.

note that at the base of the pin,

there is a MM "XI".

not certain if that's an inspector or technician

number, but it's there.

i'd appreciate any info you may be

able to provide.

thanks!

joe

[Stogieman]

Hi Joe, very nice cross and marked like this, rather hard to find. I've seen less than a dozen like this before!

[Biro]

Hi Joe

Very nice piece!

Here is another Werner for comparison....

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Interestingly, although the pin and hinge set-up is different to yours, this one also appears to have something on the underside of the pin.... although it's impossible to make out what it is.

Marshall

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[joe campbell]

GREAT pictures, marshall!!

yes there are differences, but there are some

very intereresting similarities.

i believe the 1914 numerals are very similar.

the crowns are similar, as is the "W".

while the hinge and pin are different, it is

rather striking how similar the catch is.

i wish i knew how to do side-by-side

comparisons....

thank you for your photos, marshall.

joe

[Guest Rick Research]

Well, I've never seen ANY J.H. Werner product but a Turkish War Medal star before (the best, better than Godet) but here's the reverse of my TWM, bought by later Konteradmiral (V) August B?ning in the 1920s--

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Notice that the lettering is exactly like Joe's, with heavy deep letters and serifs on them, "Times New Roman" rather than "Arial" for approximate typeface. Not at all like the Winckler piece's lettering, though the same soft enough to have bent "partly used toothpaste tube" pin and on all of these the heavy catch appears similar.

[joe campbell]

if that's as nice a piece from the front as

it is from the back....

HINT! HINT!

where might i find more info on JHWerner?

a smaller, revved-up Godet, huh...

joe

[Mike K]

Hi,

Joe, that's an exceptionally nice example of a very hard to find variant! I've seen that "laquer" effect on very few 1914 EK1s and personally I think it is more of an echt silver plating over solid silver frame(s).

Marshall, that "oval" hingeplate looks like something I'd expect from a "WS" example - same for the core. That's a flat cross, correct? It's looking like more "interbreeding" between EK manufacturers! Assuming that maker mark hasn't been added more recently to increase value.

Rick, I too would love to see the obverse of your Turkish Star. I'd expect superior enameling.

The only other Werner marked example I have in my collection is a Prussian RAO 4th class on tri-fold ribbon - marked J.H.W. on the lower arm. I don't think there would be too many manufacturers with those initials.

Here's my EK1 example. It also marked under the hinge with a roman numeral, from memory a number between 14 and 18 because initially I thought it may have been the year of manufacture - that is obviously not the case. It's well worn and each outer corner has been bent over slightly, I assume for additional "grip" onto a uniform.

Regards

Mike K

Edited December 14, 2005 by Mike K

[joe campbell]

mike -

many thanks for your pictures and comments.

there just isn't much info i can lay my hands on.

joe

[Glenn R]

I've got a 935 marked EK1 with a fully laquered back, I'll get some pictures of it when I get chance. It is heavily vaulted and has no maker mark.

[joe campbell]

love to see it, glenn!

joe

[Glenn R]

I'll get some pictures done by the weekend for you Joe, bit tied up at work at the mo.

[Blitz]

Thanks for sharing Joe & all! Wonderfull looking crosses..

[DavidM]

Hello Joe

Congratulations on really nice, excellent condition cross.

Regards

David

[Daniel Murphy]

Joe and all,

Those are beautiful crosses. I will have to add one of these to my EK 1 want list alongside of the Hansen and AWS pillow back already on it. Hint, hint.

Dan Murphy

[Glenn R]

Here's the picture I promised of the laquered cross. Can't seem to get the camera to show the laquering effect on this cross. It is however very finely sheened and it appears period. You can just make out a bit of reflection on the picture.

[Glenn R]

Front.

[joe campbell]

glenn-

great cross! any markings?

i see the areas on the reverse and

know what you mean - sometimes

scans and digital pix can't make up

for having the proverbial bird in hand!!

nevertheless, i didn't know if the

lacquer effect was legitimate - it

appears to be.

thanks, glenn!

joe

[Glenn R]

Hi Joe, it is simply marked 935 in the centre of the reverse. I bought it some years ago from a well known dealer. It was described as being unmarked but probably high silver content. I got it out of the bag and the first thing I saw was the content mark. One of those "Yeessss" moments as it cost very little.

Somehow it's one of those pieces that froms the core of my collection. I don't have the means to amass a large collection so find myself buying and selling a lot and my collection is in a permanent state of flux. Somehow I just cannot part with this one and know I'd regret it if I ever did. Not that it's anything world-meltingly special it just has that something about it.

[joe campbell]

isn't it sweet when things like this fall in your lap!!

all the more reason to keep it, if only to savor that moment.

but you've got more than that. the obverse is every bit as sweet

as the reverse.

don't let it go!

joe

[HeikoGrusdat]

here is a mini EK2 with 18mm from J.H.Werner , a very high quality piece made of silver, fine details!!! I think Werner made some of the best awards, great EK`s and wonderfull turkish war medals (iron halfmoon) !!!! This mini one comes from a Oberst of the Artillerie.

[HeikoGrusdat]

the reverse with the button

[Bob Hunter]

Magnificent mini, Heiko!

[joe campbell]

heiko!

that's a TREASURE!!

you could display that from the reverse.

great MM.

joe