Mike Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Hi Don , Your oval outline (for the "C" catch) looks larger than mine , that's why I mentioned a diff Die for the back. Have you ever seen one of these 24's in Silver ? Zimmermann did have their own "out of the ordinary" way of doing things .. Maybe this pattern was only done in Gold ?
don Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) No I don't think there was another die.I just think the oval part on mine looks bigger than your round catch type.I think my badge is a silver.I have seen other silver badges with gold pins.I think they used what was on hand at the time.For example...I think your badge and mine are the same or came from the same die.Your badge seems to have a better hinge set up them mine.Mine seems to have a nicer catch set up then yours.One Question....Is your hinge cast onto the badge?If the hinge is cast onto the badge there might have been another die.My hinge plate is not cast to the badge.One of those steel types don Edited March 17, 2006 by don
Mike Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Nope , my Hinge is not cast into the Badge ....maybe old age is catching up with my eyes or something the size of the outlines still look different to me. If we took the "C" catches and base plates for the catches off the badges ( not that we ever would mind you )...what we'd be left with is that faint oval "outline" that's pressed onto the back of the badge ..that's what I'm reffering to.I know what you mean about seeing Gold colored hinges and pins but ..the Gold I'm reffering to looks almost like a light gold haze over the back ...you can also see some still on the ridge above the hinge and in the recesses along the back edge ..that's why I wondered if these started off as a Gold Badge . It's not just on the Hinge/Pin assembly.They are a strange variation ..wish I knew a production time frame
don Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 The outline might be a bit different,but The plate on mine is just pressed into that outline.Anyways a nice maker and badges. don
Avitas Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Hello all,Here is my early unmarked black wound badge, the only one in my collection so far. The back catch has been slightly bent and a large amount of grime has uglied up the back a bit, but I'm not going to clean it. The colour of the scan is a little off, it's not nearly that coppery, it is brass I believe. Hope you enjoy, anybody else with the same one?Pat
Gordon Williamson Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 On the subject of Wound Badges, this one struck me as amazing in the amount of effort to produce a common black wound badge. The base material is not brass but Tombak (note the bronze colour showing through at the 1 o'clock position on the helmet).This has then been gilded, then a silver plate added over the gilding, then a chemical blackening (not paint) to finish it off. What a time consuming and potentially expensive method. I wonder why they didn't just spray paint it black .
Marcus H Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Hi Gordon,You couldn't post close up obverse and reverse of your black WB packet could you please ?This is a nice little odd one, a screwback black Imperial WB.KrMarcus
Gordon Williamson Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Hi Gordon,You couldn't post close up obverse and reverse of your black WB packet could you please ?Here you go
Marcus H Posted May 31, 2006 Posted May 31, 2006 Thanks mate,An interesting one, this exact designation style of lettering and maker mark have me confounded !In fact the packet has, I have to say it's a first for me and perhaps at this moment in time I like it more than not.Great to see something different and 'new', very interesting. I need to get my hands on one of these examples now.Again, thanks very much.
Gordon Williamson Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Nice little set just received. All the "57" grades, but very early examples with the original style pins.
joe campbell Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 gordon-your '57's are in wonderfulcondition. thanks!joe
don Posted June 10, 2006 Author Posted June 10, 2006 Nice ones.Got to add a 57 to my collection some day. don
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