Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 This one looks a little more interesting to my eye. What am I missing? real? Bogus?Thanks much for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Additional view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Now here's where it gets a tad more interesting. I am much more inclined to accept this document as authentic. Is it real? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 And the interior. I hate to say this, but the photo... well, he looks a little too happy to be NKVD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Run away, real fast. The badge is not up to the high standards of real badges. The edges should fit better and the nut/reverse looks like crap. The document is equally bogus - I've seen stacks of these booklets in Kiev. These are also discussed in length on another forum - PM and I can send you the web address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I agree!The badge seems to be missing the S/N and it's not up to par. Especially the enamel.The book looks like it was made last nigh on artificially aged paper.Russians used cheap paper and almost everything in that book should look old and faded. The stamp is way to new looking. The beria signature is in pink? Ha?Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Maybe the signature was Red but with artificial aging it took on pink?Who knows...Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 I find these "State Security Badges" fascinating. The intricacy of construction and the enamel work is right up there with what I know and love in Imperial german quality. This is a real minefield and I am trying very hard to learn as much as I can and really appreciate all your help and patience with my (seemingly) endless questions!I'd buy the one Igor has, but the damages to his put me off. I don't mind the price and trust him to know his stuff pretty cold. My thing is if I'm going to own one of these, I want the condition to be the absolute best I can find. Like I said, the guy in the photo looks a little too happy to be NKVD ;>)The badge is tougher for me to gauge as there's so little available to me to reference it against. Thanks much guys! Run away, I shall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 These have always been faked!To find one with perfect enamel and a document would set you back a nice chunk of cash.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) The nice thing about these fake docs is that they leave the space for the serial number blank.That way you can add the number of your (fake) badge to match, pretty cool Jan Edited December 14, 2005 by vatjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I find these "State Security Badges" fascinating. The intricacy of construction and the enamel work is right up there with what I know and love in Imperial german quality. This is a real minefield and I am trying very hard to learn as much as I can and really appreciate all your help and patience with my (seemingly) endless questions!I'd buy the one Igor has, but the damages to his put me off. I don't mind the price and trust him to know his stuff pretty cold. My thing is if I'm going to own one of these, I want the condition to be the absolute best I can find. Like I said, the guy in the photo looks a little too happy to be NKVD ;>)The badge is tougher for me to gauge as there's so little available to me to reference it against. Thanks much guys! Run away, I shall!Here is a website for you to view KGB/NKVD badges. It loads pretty slow but well worth the time. Will give you an idea of what the badges and documents should look like.http://nkvdcollect.narod.ru/photoalbum1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Wow Danny, Thanks!! I will study it well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I forgot about that site.My bad.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 While we are on the subject, I'll toss this one out. Even to my extremely uninitiated eyes this looks like a cast piece of rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Reverse.... look at all the casting pocks on this.The numbers look downright stupid compared to other engraving I've studied so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Final picture.As an aside, this one's in Armenia and the asking price is 1600 GBP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 No good.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Final picture.As an aside, this one's in Armenia and the asking price is 1600 GBP Correct it is bad. The mint marks are not at the correct place. Not a good copy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I would highly suggest getting items like these from reputable dealers!I looked at the one Rick mentioned and that badge is priced according to the damage!If the enamel behind the sword was not missing I would recommend getting it but in this condition it's very hard selling one of these!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Rick,if you didn?t see them already, take a look at these at CollectRussia:http://collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=11764http://collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=12831I haven?t handled any real ones of these either, but these look really good to me and they come from a reputable dealer, so i trust on it, they are ok.best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Gerd,1st one is the one we're discussing above.2nd one is nice! That group is very attractive.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Neither is cheap, but sometimes quality costs. Likewise, while no dealer (or collector) is perfect, there is something to be said for dealing with established and trusted folks -- you may pay a premium for that, but . . . ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Ed,First one is cheap compared to todays prices but it's condition is what kept it that price for at least a year!Cheap these are not, rare they are!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Yes . . . the perennial trade-off -- and I am never certain where I come down: pretty, pristine, and untouched or soaked in history (and beaten up by that same history)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Ed,I think that depends in what your collecting preference lies.I personally prefer my awards with minimal damage.Soaked in history this badge really is! This was no low level award.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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