Phil Steele Posted February 11, 2010 Posted February 11, 2010 Hey Guys, Just a quick and hopefully and easy one. Did award documents accompany the Bavarian MVK medals when they were given out? If so would anybody be able to post one or two so I can have a look. Thanks in advance. Phil
jaba1914 Posted February 11, 2010 Posted February 11, 2010 Here a document for an MVK3XK to an Luftschiffer.
Phil Steele Posted February 11, 2010 Author Posted February 11, 2010 Thanks Jaba...nice document. I wonder if the documents varied as to the different grades of the award. I see this one is for the 3rd class and whilst waiting for a reply to this thread I actually found another identical document on a web site and it was for the 3rd class. Again many thanks. Phil
jaba1914 Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 The documents for the MVO looks like the MVK. But later they changed to a smaller size. Regards Alex
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Hello There are several types concerning size and signature of MVK documents. The siganture is usually by the acting Bavarian war minister. The first type of war issues is signed by Colnonel General Otto Kreß von Kressenstein. The first award of MVKs in WW1 were on 11. september 1914. Edited February 21, 2010 by Bavaria
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) The second type is signed by General Philipp von Hellingrath. He became bavarian war minister in December 1916, when v. Kress`s successor v. Speidel left this position. Until now, I haven`t seen a document signed by v. Speidel. This document is for an "Beamter", so there is the addition "am Bande für Kriegsverdienst" Edited February 21, 2010 by Bavaria
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 There are also documents signed by Freiherr von Podewils during time of absence of v. Kress and v. Hellingrath.
IrishGunner Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 Great thread. Thanks Bavaria for the mini-lesson on signatures. Ein prosit! :beer:
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 The size of the award documents changed at the middle of 1917 (the earliest one I`ve seen is from September 1917). This type was used until 3. November 1918. This was the last time the Kingdom of Bavaria awarded MVKs.
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) On the 8. November 1918 the new republic continued awards. Now signed by minister for military affairs Albert Roßhaupter under Kurt Eisner. In 1945/46 Roßhaupter again became minister of labour and social care. Edited February 21, 2010 by Bavaria
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 During the reign of the "Räterepublik" (Bavarian Soviet Republic) Richard Scheid signed the documents. I just know two dates during March 1919 Scheid signed them.
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) After the bloody end of the Räterepublik in May 1919 minister-president Johannes Hoffmann came back to Munich with Ernst Schneppenhorst, who acted as minister until August 1919, when the Bavarian Ministry of Military Affairs was finally abolished. Edited February 21, 2010 by Bavaria
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 One of the last type is signed by Oberstleutnant von Bressensdorf, who was responisble for the Heeresabwicklungsamt Bayern (Office of Army transaction Bavaria). This type is followed by one last one. It has a seal of the Bavarian Ministry of Forreign Affairs. I´ve seen one of this type, but I haven`t (yet) one in my collection. Kind regards Rudi
Bavaria Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 On this picture you can see the types of seals on MVK/MVO award documents: From the left: used until November 1918 Middle: used until August 1919 On the right: Used between autumn 1919 to at least 1921.
Eric K. Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 Great to see these documents guys. I will start scanning mine and post them here as well. Eric
Hauptmann Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) My first and only such doc so far... don't have it in hand yet but hopefully within the week: I know less than nothing about these so anything anyone can tell me about it, including the name of the recipient and the signature would be deeply appreciated! If a bigger version of the pic is needed please PM me with an email and I'll be happy to pop over a larger version. Many thanks! Dan :cheers: Edited March 5, 2012 by Hauptmann
Dave Danner Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 My first and only such doc so far... don't have it in hand yet but hopefully within the week: I know less than nothing about these so anything anyone can tell me about it, including the name of the recipient and the signature would be deeply appreciated! If a bigger version of the pic is needed please PM me with an email and I'll be happy to pop over a larger version. Many thanks! Dan Jakob Heinrich Bopp, born on 12 August 1891 in Mannheim, Baden. Unteroffizier der Reserve in the 20. Bavarian FAR (promoted to Sergeant in 1918). In civilian life a gardener. This MVK appears to be his only decoration (not even an Iron Cross).
Hauptmann Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Wow Dave... fantastic and fast! :jumping: Many thanks! Would it have been unusual for this to have been the only award to someone? Dan :cheers:
AOK4 Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 There are also documents signed by Freiherr von Podewils during time of absence of v. Kress and v. Hellingrath. According to me, this one (to Hermann Mahl) is signed by Speidel and not Podewils...
Bavaria Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Yes, I think you are right that it´s Freiherr von Speidels signature.
Scott Powell Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 This soldier was later awarded the Ek2 and was severely wounded
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Here is one identifed by bavaria as a Ernst Schneppenhorst stamped signature...
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