Claudius Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) I found this little guy early in the day and he was still there when I wanted to go home. We all can see that this is a Schwartzburg, and I believe it is Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, but is this the Honor Cross or the Honor Medal? The Honor Cross could be awarded w/o swords, so it would be understandable to have the swords to denote a combatant. I believe the Honor Medal was already a combatant award and didn't need swords to indicate otherwise. What do you think? Edited February 23, 2010 by Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Neat bar. I would agree with you that this would likely be the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Does anyone have its twin as a medal bar? Could you please post it. :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 (edited) Hopefully this helps - although the lack of an actual medal there may hurt Luke Edited March 8, 2010 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 wow! That's a first. What sort of NCO had that? :speechless1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hopefully this helps - although the lack of an actual medal there may hurt Luke Great medal and ribbon bar! I don't mind the missing honor cross too much. but the medal order is a bit odd with the honor medal on the end. Any other comments on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Wouldn't it follow the usual Nazi-era ethos of combat awards first,long service and then civil awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hunter Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) I would say the last medal on the bar was awarded as a non-combatant order...just noticed this from looking at the ribbon bar...one ribbon has swords, the other one does not. Matt Edited March 11, 2010 by M Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would say the last medal on the bar was awarded as a non-combatant order...just noticed this from looking at the ribbon bar...one ribbon has swords, the other one does not. Matt Or it is a frankenstein construction. The medal on the end is surely the Honor Medal for "Verdienst im Krieg", a combatant award. It wouldn't ordinarily belong on the end like this. To compare, does anyone have an example of a double Schwarzburg award on a medal bar or ribbon bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have seen a double Schwrzbrg somewhere- Rick would remember where. I doubt its' a Frankenstein as the ribbon bar makes sense too. I have seen combat/noncombat state awards like this before and its too "obvious" an "error" for a professional faker methinks. I totally see this as someone who got the medal again later on wearing either a suit or in an ersatz depot. I think the Schwrzbrg. rolls exist and if they do, maybe I can ID him.. Let me check .See the ribbon bar article for other oddities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would say the last medal on the bar was awarded as a non-combatant order...just noticed this from looking at the ribbon bar...one ribbon has swords, the other one does not. Matt, if it were it came on another ribbon. This is a typical bravery/war merit award, that should be way more left on the bar. Still, stranger things happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hunter Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) Matt, if it were it came on another ribbon. This is a typical bravery/war merit award, that should be way more left on the bar. Still, stranger things happened. Saschaw, your comment has prompted me to look in my ribbon book (Medal Ribbons and Orders of Imperial Germany and Austria) and i do not see a non-combatant ribbon for Schwarzburg....just cross of honour, medal of honour and medal of honor for war merit. It is hard to tell from the picture but maybe these medals are on hooks making it easy to remove them and maybe they got put back in the wrong place? Clutching at straws here but a possibility? I then looked at Claudius' first post and see he mentions Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt....so further down my page i look and i see a similar ribbon...medal of merit for long service (1853)...but with the blue ribbon representing the long service award from Prussia, this option is out also? My best Matt Edited March 11, 2010 by M Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Saschaw, your comment has prompted me to look in my ribbon book (Medal Ribbons and Orders of Imperial Germany and Austria) and i do not see a non-combatant ribbon for Schwarzburg....just cross of honour, medal of honour and medal of honor for war merit. mhh, I looked at Nimmergut and found the NC ribbon: dark blue with ornage stripes on the edge, similar to Prussian XXI long service brooch's ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Not the matching medal bar Claudius but i thought i would share my only Schwarzburg item! Kind regards Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Not the matching medal bar Claudius but i thought i would share my only Schwarzburg item! Kind regards Pierce Pierce; No apologizes necessary! I'm delighted to see your Schwarzburg bar. Thank you for adding it here to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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